The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Qatar-owned. The same country that's funding ISIS.

Great source.





Qatar send money to Hamas too.

No no, its not about them being Arabs. Al Jazeera has been banned by several Arab countries, an example being Egypt.

Qatar invests heavily in Islamic extremism throughout the Middle East. For example while Saudi Arabia provides aid to the more secular rebels in Syria, its Qatar funding and arming radical ones. In the case with Israel, they have given hundreds of millions of dollars to Hamas.

Fair enough. How about the UN? Will that suffice?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10967279/UN-80-per-cent-of-Palestinians-killed-in-Israeli-offensive-are-civilians.html

I dont doubt the obvious that civilian casualties would and are occurring. What do you expect when Israel is trying to target 30,000 Hamas fighters within a population of 1.7 million? with the number of airstrikes + Hamas intentionally using civilians as human shields, one would expect any other army to have a 99.999999% civilian casualty rate.

By the way what dyou think of rockets being stored in UNRWA schools in Gaza?

The UN gets its figures from Hamas.

The Hamas Health Ministry controls everything in Gaza.

They lied to the UN after Cast Lead about casualty figures which undermined a UN report on the conflict.

Basically the civilian casualties are shown to the UN and the Hamas casualties are hidden.

Thereby distorting the picture.

There were chants shouting shame on the government. Free palestine, was shouting to allow them out of the open air prison the Israeli government were keeping them in and the government taking no notice. The chants that Israel is a terror state was for the government to recognise the fact that Israel's actions are equal to that of terrorists. And please don't condescendingly pity my opinions because you are the one arguing for a country which is killing children, the disabled and elderly which have nothing to do with their problem with hamas. And I'm the one not sane? Do not make this personal, god knows I've been avoiding doing that in my responses to you.

As I have stated many times before, it is wrong of Israel to attack Gaza. They should not do it.

As a Christian, I believe Israel should obey Yeshua's (Jesus') commands to love their enemies (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-37). I also believe Palestinians should obey Isa's (Jesus') command love their enemies too. However, not even 'Christian' nations obey Jesus' commands to love their enemies.

If Israel and Palestine and the USA and all nations would obey Jesus' commands to love their enemies, the world would be a much better and peaceful place.

I'm sorry about it getting personal but your statements are bonkers.

The chants of "Free Palestine" were not intended to get Britain to condemn Israel. The chants claiming Israel is a terror state were not intended to get Britain to condemn Israel. That is a post-hoc justification and a bad one at that. Why wasn't the protest outside Whitehall if it was aimed at the British government? Why have veiled implied references to the British government. Why no chants of "Condemn Israel" or similar?

No. The only sane conclusion is that the protests were not about getting Britain to condemn Israel. If you cannot see that then we have nothing more to discuss.

Israel withdrew from Gaza in almost a decade ago. There is no 'occupation'. By your own explanation the actions of Hamas would not be not self-defence but retribution.

There has to be a time-scope, otherwise the UK might aswell invade Italy in retalitation for the Roman conquest. Before the kidnappings there was relative peace. Now there is conflict. Why did the conflict start- Hamas kidnapped and killed three Israelis. Pretty simple.

Make you mind up, are we discussing international law, English criminal law, or the harsh reality of actual war? Because you keep floating between each one to suit yourself.

And you get your source telling you this from? Look I dont care. The UN is reliable, full stop. I see pictures and videos. I read tweets of people there. I hear news reports. And unless you're there first hand to count the people dead, don't argue otherwise.

I agree that Islam advocates fighting, as the Qur'an states to fight. This war is more than just a geographic one; it's a spiritual one as well. Islam wants control of its 3rd holy city (Jersualem), the one they stole from Judaism, since Muhammad claimed to have flown a winged steed from Arabia to Jerusalem. Islam can't bear the thought of Judaism having Jerusalem back as its only holy city.

It was outside whitehall. And the Israeli embassy. It was about the uk government condemning and us as a people condemning. Are you going to tell me that's anti semitic or insane? Or not 'humanitarian' motivated, because believe it or not, there is only a minority of people which choose time and time again to victimise a state, and sure enough some were with us, and sure enough some were completely politically motivated, but we were there to condemn and to get our government to do the same. Can we stop arguing now?

I think we ought to agree to disagree. You obviously strongly believe that it makes perfect sense to protest against Israel and no one else. I do not agree with that and believe on the contrary that it makes far less sense to protest against Israel than many others.

What we both agree with, however, is that those who went on that protest feel more strongly about people being killed by Israel than about a much larger number of people being killed by others. And that, in my book, doesn't paint the protestors in a very good light.

Well what other terrorist organization has embassies around the world?

The media, the western media, still portrays Israel as the victimized and that's one of catalysts in these protests. What can potentially be achieved in anti-zionism protests is far greater than what can be achieved in say anti-ISIS protests.

The innocent killing could easily be stopped if Israel stops its massacre. Obama need only a call. Just think of that. A minute of the president's time and we save countless innocent lives. Unfortunately there's no clear way to stop the massacres of other monsters.

Its also obvious that Israel is continuing its massacre for political motives. The IDF was itching for some pretext to spill Palestinian blood for a long time to appease the hardliners and their fans in Israel and to ensure that Netanyahu's popularity holds.

The lady rightly lambasts the BBC for ignoring years of rocket attacks and only reporting when Israel starts to retaliate.

Muslims do control the Temple Mount, and other holy sites as part of Israel's treaty with Jordan. A Jew is not even allowed to pray there, or use their phones there in case theyre actually praying.



Jerusalem was a sewage under Jordanian rule.

I think we ought to agree to disagree. You obviously strongly believe that it makes perfect sense to protest against Israel and no one else. I do not agree with that and believe on the contrary that it makes far less sense to protest against Israel than many others.

What we both agree with, however, is that those who went on that protest feel more strongly about people being killed by Israel than about a much larger number of people being killed by others. And that, in my book, doesn't paint the protestors in a very good light.