The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

In fact, have Hamas ever even broke a ceasefire?

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So, do you agree with him?

Also, you people who support Israel. I have a question for you. I may sound naive and ignorant. I have spent quite a lot of time, analysing your opinions on why you choose to support Israel. And my analyses resulted in a conclusion. You people "hate Islam and muslims" because of all the chaos that they've created all over the world. Which is understandable.

But are you really looking for a peaceful solution? Your views which are fuelled by hatred and anger towards a religion and a community as a whole is in itself opposing your peaceful ideas of living in this society as humans? Aren't you supposed to help and support the victim regardless of the religion he's following? What did the children of Gaza do to suffer and go through such a painful experience?

civilian casualties are a inevitable part of war - they weren't a few centuries ago where two armies picked a field and clashed swords, but warfare has moved on and that won't happen these days - what they're saying isn't naive, it's a basic part of war

Just get rid of gaza all together.... make it a no go zone - fill it with sea water, because there is always going to be fighting there no matter what...

Oh it was my land... no wait it's mine.... it's such a pathetic reason to kill so many people who don't give a crap and just want to live without all of that BS. It's become excuse after excuse to breed hatred in the region built on religious differences that aren't a whole lot different, and to breed the fear that extremists love to take advantage of...

If people don't like it as it is now, they should move. If you're Jewish, go to Northern Israel, if you're Muslim, there's a hecka lot of muslim countries that would welcome you with open arms.

Same with other areas of conflict at the moment - if you want to be Russian, go to Russia, if you want to be British come on over to Britain .... if you feel THAT strongly you're willing to kill, it would be way more logical to just move and retain peace....

I mean, you don't see me rocking up in Birmingham, demanding "The Land of my Fathers" back, as it used to belong to the Celts do you? .... hold up.... why haven't I done this!!!! Come forth fellow Welshies! we must reclaim Birmingham!!!!!!

I don't believe bombing is ever the answer.

Why are Hamas not even contemplating agreeing to a ceasefire?

Because if they are accepting anything bar a short humanitarian ceasefire they aren't necessarily getting anywhere. They want the blockade on Gaza lifting with international reassurance that it will stay lifted. They will have to be pretty badly beaten to agree to a ceasefire for anything less.

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Of course the blockade only came about because of rocket fire.

Seems a bit odd to then fire even more rockets to lift a blockade that was put in place because of rockets.

But I guess terrorists don't often make sense.

I think there's a difference between "cheering" and understanding conflict and all it entails.

I don't want Israel to go through this every 12 months and I'm sure most of the palestinians don't.

Israel made a massive gesture in leaving Gaza. Now you'll no doubt jump in and say it wasn't 100% and that a row of bushes wasn't returned or something - but the fact is that Israel made a massive move and massive gesture by leaving Gaza.

They got more terrorism than ever.

So the onus is not on Israel, it's on palestinians.

When they've had enough of destruction and death, give Israel a call and let them know.

Maybe you would like to list these "broken ceasefires"?

What's even more odd is that:

a) Israel invades to dampen rocket fire but it astronomically increases.

Why are Hamas not even contemplating agreeing to a ceasefire?

Can't be bothered to be fair.

No. They agreed to 2 ceasefires and then broke them.

Others were rejected out of hand.

Can't be bothered to be honest.



No. They agreed to 2 ceasefires and then broke them.

Others were rejected out of hand.




There's always a spike in fire when one begins to retaliate. For the past week the rocket fire has been in and around 60-ish mark bar one day. Which is a reduction.




That doesn't make sense. There are lots of tunnels and it takes time to find and destroy them.



Seems to me they're crying a lot.

Now asking Hezbollah to come and save them.

Of course they're a bit busy dying in Syria.

Of course the blockade only came about because of rocket fire.

Seems a bit odd to then fire even more rockets to lift a blockade that was put in place because of rockets.

But I guess terrorists don't often make sense.

Shh, pipe down a little.

So because an Israeli official states that "HAMAS is responsible", is HAMAS responsible?

You haven't justified WHY HAMAS is responsible and you will never be able to. Just because it governs the strip, it doesn't automatically mean that it is responsible for the actions of the Palestinians.

Hell, it doesn't even fully control it's own armed wing
Well, it should. It's like Hitler saying he didn't fully control his Nazi officials therefore he should be acquitted (if he were alive and available for trial).

It's like claiming that if country A's citizens actively target country B's citizens, and country A does nothing about it (except glorify it), country B should also sit by idly and do nothing and let it happen.

It is Hamas's responsibility to crackdown on its islamist jihadists. It doesn't. In fact it supports acts of terrorism, as was outlined by one of the reuters sources which I provided. I don't blame Israel for going in and doing what Hamas has failed to do and has in fact supported. If they cared for peace, they would ensure that such acts were scarce rather than applaud them.

What about the kidnap tunnels? I guess those are perfectly fine, right? I guess Hamas should be allowed to terrorize the entire Israeli population with those tunnels as that is within the rights of a legitimate government?

Israel wants to keep its civilians safe. Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel in its charter. Of course they're not going to trust those terrorists to do anything to protect Israel's citizens.

Then again, I suppose you don't really care about them because throughout your posts you have shown much concern for the Gazans and little to no concerns for the Israelis.

Can you now give us the figure for ceasefires Israel has rejected or broken before they're over. And FYI, no matter what the propaganda officer says, it's not 0.

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