The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

There are reports that the teens and young people of Israel are consulting more and more psychiatrists. They have lived under the constant threat of rocker fire. They say their fears have increased as they expect Hamas to retaliate very hard in the coming months...they run for cover as soon as the sirens are heard. Shrapnel falling from the sky also scatter some streets at times making it hard for people to walk. They have full faith on the Iron Dome though, and they wholeheartedly welcome the US fund to support the system.
The levels if depression are increasing and people couldn't live like this. Something had to be done for the rocket fire and tunnels and so it was.

So I think this operation was very worth the 60 odd lives. Most of them were soldiers though, so that's okay. Also the 3 civilians and their families will be honoured to the highest degree (all respect to them - they showed their true Zionist colours). These people made it possible for Israel to do something without the expense of it's land - great!

So now the Israelites can live more in peace of mind. Maybe Hamas can't come back strongly...no longer do one have to fear their children being killed by rockets. Still 3000 rockets more to come though, but meh, they will be intercepted.

Another problem would be the DBS and their work. I dunno why they hate Israel so much. Israel has killed 800+ terrorists and they still think that Israel did not do what's right. Damn them...damn those who sympathise with the terrorists.

I guess its enough of Fox news and TOI, maybe its time to watch Al-Jazeera. The US viewers maybe missing something :wink:

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Original post by Pinzgauer

Yet the palestinians have genocide of Israel in their charter.

Calling for the destruction of a State, as opposed to it's people, contravenes no law that I can think of. The denial of self-determination, on the other hand...

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Anyone know where that Pinzer chap has gone?

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Temporality

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Anyone got a good link to an unbiased history of the conflict. Preferably a video

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CTArsenal

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Original post by Temporality

Anyone got a good link to an unbiased history of the conflict. Preferably a video

check out the video I posted above, it highlights the whole conflict in detail without bias

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UniOfLife

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Original post by tsr1269

Calling for the destruction of a State, as opposed to it's people, contravenes no law that I can think of. The denial of self-determination, on the other hand...

Choice quotes from the Hamas Charter: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

and

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

and

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."

I think its pretty clear that their aim is to wipe out the Jews starting with Israel.

Original post by UniOfLife

I think its pretty clear that their aim is to wipe out the Jews starting with Israel.

Given the fact that they have not stated what you purport to state they have claimed, your choice of quotes is summarily dismissed.

I suggest you come back when you have something which explicitly calls for the destruction of Jews, as opposed to Israel which could be said to be a reasonable opinion to hold.

I mean, the Palestinians were living in relative peace with their Jewish neighbors prior to the creation of the Israeli State upon when they suddenly became hostile.

What was the factor which drove them to this level of hostility that they would go from living together one day to killing them the next?

The Jews whom they had been living alongside for hundreds of years or the establishment of the Jewish State?

"Elementary, my dear Watson". :holmes:

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zakkaz

This conflict is greater than the existence of Hamas, this conflict didn't begin with Hamas and it will not end with Hamas either.

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Temporality

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Original post by CTArsenal

check out the video I posted above, it highlights the whole conflict in detail without bias

Thanks. Hope to trust her version of events

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UniOfLife

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Original post by tsr1269

Given the fact that they have not stated what you purport to state they have claimed, your choice of quotes is summarily dismissed.

I suggest you come back when you have something which explicitly calls for the destruction of Jews, as opposed to Israel which could be said to be a reasonable opinion to hold.

I mean, the Palestinians were living in relative peace with their Jewish neighbors prior to the creation of the Israeli State upon when they suddenly became hostile.

What was the factor which drove them to this level of hostility that they would go from living together one day to killing them the next?

The Jews whom they had been living alongside for hundreds of years or the establishment of the Jewish State?

"Elementary, my dear Watson". :holmes:

You are of course free to "summarily dismiss" the quotes. I frankly would not expect anything different. I am not writing to convince you since you will not change your mind regardless of how much evidence is placed in front of you. I respond to your posts so that others reading the thread will not fooled into believing you.

On the point of Arab violence against Jews. It certainly predates 1948. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

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zakkaz

Netenyahu is a terrorist. There I've said it. He has no interest in peace, evident in his blatant disregard for international law and his collective punishment against the Gaza population is a war crime according to the IRCC - and I agree.

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Original post by UniOfLife

You are of course free to "summarily dismiss" the quotes. I frankly would not expect anything different. I am not writing to convince you since you will not change your mind regardless of how much evidence is placed in front of you. I respond to your posts so that others reading the thread will not fooled into believing you.

I think it is clear to all that you have been unable to substantiate your opinion, an erroneous one, that HAMAS calls for the destruction of Jews, as opposed to the State of Israel.

The links or quotes you have posted does not strengthen your argument but detracts from it, as it is shown quite clearly that one has to imply and read so much into it, not to mention, selectively quoting bits and pieces in order to get a vague noion that maybe HAMAS does want to destroy all Jews, contrary to their Charter which simply seeks to destroy Israel, which is quite a legitimate aim.

On the point of Arab violence against Jews. It certainly predates 1948. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

Yes, the plan to have an independent Jewish State in Palestine was only formulated in 1947. :rolleyes:

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zakkaz

How awfully convenient is it that people forget that Netenyahu himself said that he has no intention in giving Palestinians sovereignty with or without Hamas?

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