Would you date a transgender person? Poll

I might go for it if I were straight, but a women who has had the surgery to resemble a man would never have fully working parts, and they also can't change some of the dead giveaways (facial structure, hands, hips)

For me, I'll just stick to guys who are naturally that sex/gender

From what I've seen it does tend to be cis gays who are the most transphobic


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Sex is biological, gender is psychological/social.

Sex is determined in 99% of cases by your chromosomes - you are either XX or XY. This never changes. (There are some exceptions of rare combinations such as Klinefelters syndrome, but these don't correspond to incidents of transgenderism or correlate in any way. They are entirely unrelated).

Gender is determined by which particular social identity the person identifies with.


For the majority of people they accept the biological sex they are, and they embrace their gender role to a greater or lesser extent.

However a small number of people find themselves identifying with the other gender role. These are transgendered people.

In extreme cases, this proves very distressing for them psychologically, and in some cases this distress can be mitigated to some extent via sex realignment surgery.

However, this does not alter their fundamental underlying biological sex, and they will never be able to reproduce successfully as a person of their preferred gender.

The easiest way to accurate describe trans people is using the abbreviation SMGF or SFGM (sex male gender female). Some people also choose to identify with no particular gender, they would be SMGN (neutral).

A fully transitioned trans woman has the sex and gender identity of a woman. She has the biological and anatomical characteristics of a woman. So she is a woman..

Sex is biological, gender is psychological/social.

Sex is determined in 99% of cases by your chromosomes - you are either XX or XY. This never changes. (There are some exceptions of rare combinations such as Klinefelters syndrome, but these don't correspond to incidents of transgenderism or correlate in any way. They are entirely unrelated).

Gender is determined by which particular social identity the person identifies with.


For the majority of people they accept the biological sex they are, and they embrace their gender role to a greater or lesser extent.

However a small number of people find themselves identifying with the other gender role. These are transgendered people.

In extreme cases, this proves very distressing for them psychologically, and in some cases this distress can be mitigated to some extent via sex realignment surgery.

However, this does not alter their fundamental underlying biological sex, and they will never be able to reproduce successfully as a person of their preferred gender.

The easiest way to accurate describe trans people is using the abbreviation SMGF or SFGM (sex male gender female). Some people also choose to identify with no particular gender, they would be SMGN (neutral).

Your opinion has been duly ignored. I don't think it's particularly helpful to go around policing "minor offense" anywhere you can find it and trying to berate someone for it.

What I said is a matter of biological fact. Why is it that if you aren't willing to go along with this pretence that trans people really do become the sex they want to be, that you're transphobic?

I'm sorry, but this is simply incorrect. Sex is determined by your sex chromosomes, not your anatomical topology. If you have XY chromosomes you are a male, and this never changes, no matter how many operations you have.

You know you can just admit you're transphobic?

Read my post above - this is simply your opinion, and not fact.

Care to point out exactly what I said that's transphobic? This should be good

So therefore your answer to the original question should be yes?

Err, it's a fact. No sex change can change your chromosomes

You realise this is all highly subjective, and not necessarily factual? What sex 'is' is a fraught and divisive subject, and you're posting the fairly extreme version of one side of the debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#Criticism_of_the_.22sex_difference.22_vs._.22gender_difference.22_distinction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#Feminism

Saying its a pretence that they become the sex they want to be

It is. Are you really trying to say that a woman who has a "sex change" has actually become a man? Because if that occurred, then as a class of individuals some of these women would be able to produce semen, they would have real penises, they would have a body type that's like a man

Not all men can produce semen, but most can. No transman will ever produce semen. There is clearly a distinction there

It is not subjective, and their is no debate. It is a simple, straightforward biological definition defined on the chromosomal level. Humans are one amongst many species of lifeform than reproduce sexually, this means the population is divided into two distinct subgroups, each with a specific set of chromosomes. In order for reproduction to occur, one gamete from each subgroup must be combined.

We call these two subgroups "male" and "female".



Thanks for linking to some wiki pages I have previously edited though, very helpful.

You have a very narrow definition of what being a man is. So to be a man you have to have a very specific body type and produce semen? There are cis men who have problems with reproduction, does that make them not a man?

It's easier to look at the chromosomes; if you were born XX, then you will never be a man.