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You have the option to shoot someone or not and you chose to shoot. That was your choosing. Allah just knows which choice you will make.

If you chose not to shoot them Allah would know. If you chose to shoot them Allah would know. Where is the issue?

"No amount of guilt can change the past and no amount of worrying can change the future. Go easy on yourself for the outcome of all affairs is determined by Allah's Decree. If something is meant to go elsewhere, it will never come on your way, but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee.''

#Umar ibn al-Khattab رضي الله عنه

I guess you do agree with me afterall then?

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nope its not just knowledge its Allahs will

Oops typo lol. Corrected




That doesn't contradict what I've said sock bro. I've had this conversation with you before.

How can you mistake that...its really nice

it does contradict cos you said "he just knows" but thats wrong Allah decides everything beforehand not "just knows it

ye i remember an you never replied back lol

gonna bump it

You chose to fire the trigger because you wanted to. Allah did not force your hand.

A Being being able to know that future does not mean that you lose your free will. It was always your choice to do something (unless someone had a gun to your head or something).

Even if someone put a gun to head, you still have a choice and free will no

Cos in this situation you can comply with the hostage taker or you can choose to try and rough him up (but you might get killed)

You cant really force anyone to do anything?
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No it doesn't. Just because I've simplified qadr into a sentence or two doesn't mean what you've said contradicts it. Allah knows what is to happen and he has decreed it to happen. I may eat cornflakes tomorrow, I may not. Whatever I choose to eat is already known and decreed, but it is my own choices and actions that lead to me to doing it.

I did reply back, you kept on the repeating pretty much the same point. Sorry but I'm not going to amuse some troll for hours on end

Bump away

Lol at the "supposed" number of ex-Muslims on this site. Most of the "real" ex-Muslims obviously didn't practice otherwise their hearts wouldn't have darkened, but hey! Atleast they are self-proclaimed Sheikhs and know this religion inside out for them to have meaningful discussions without being ignorant.

Somehow, being an ex-Muslim, your views come off as more reliable somehow to other users.

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If it's already known and has been decreed how can your own choices lead you to it?
If something is predetermined doesn't that usually mean your actions/choices are of little consequence and it will happen regardless.

If it's already known and has been decreed how can your own choices lead you to it?
If something is predetermined doesn't that usually mean your actions/choices are of little consequence and it will happen regardless.

It means your choices are of no consequence and "free will" is just an illusion designed to make you feel like you're in control when in reality you have no control of your destiny whatsoever. It's a chilling thought.

It means your choices are of no consequence and "free will" is just an illusion designed to make you feel like you're in control when in reality you have no control of your destiny whatsoever. It's a chilling thought.

If God knows the path we're going to choose and God cannot be wrong about the path we're going to choose, then our choice of path is not a free choice, just an illusion of one.

Predestination or free will - pick one.

I don't know what 'jahiliyya' means, sorry. I don't speak Arabic.

If God knows the path we're going to choose and God cannot be wrong about the path we're going to choose, then our choice of path is not a free choice, just an illusion of one.

Predestination or free will - pick one.

Take this elsewhere.



In the way I used it - ignorance. Days of Ignorance in full. Surprised Sheikh Google didn't tell you, it's normally the first line of action for you lot.

Should the other answers to the question be "taken elsewhere" or is it just the answers you don't like?



Thanks. I googled it and got a vague idea of what it meant but I just wanted to confirm that you were indeed calling me ignorant simply for trying to answer somebody's question. Nice. I'll stop clogging up the thread now with this; if you want to continue berating me, take it to my wall...

I didn't like some of the replies from Quantum and co, however I'm fine with them. I just give special treatment to people who've been known to cause debates/provoke Muslims into arguments on the Isoc. Pretty sure you've been banned for that.

No worries. Na I made that judgement from a general read of your posts. Na I'll pass.

No need to feed the troll. British Muslims embarrass him apparantly.

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Quick question: Aren't there ayaat ( like 6:39) that say that Allah has willed for people to be on the right path and for others to be on the wrong path?
They don't just say that He has the knowledge of what will happen but that he has willed it to happen.