The I-SOC (Islamic Society) (X)

Original post by Ruh

So basically it's an addition to just send blessings upon them; I only wanted to know if Ali (RA) had ever himself included the Imamate in his narrations :tongue:

Jazak'Allah Khayr anyway

Peace be with you,

The issue of Imamah has been mentioned by Imam Ali a.s, Muhammed pbuh, and the other members of the Ahlulbayt of Muhammed pbuh several times in authentic hadiths in the shia-school of thought.

Within every Dua authentic hadiths tell us to send blessings to Muhammed pbuh and his chosen ahlul bayt a.s, and it's something that's known unanimously and therefore it's already known that one is recommended to do so.

If i give you 100 dua's i have written, and then tell you that you are highly recommended to send blessings on Muhammed pbuh and the chosen members of the ahlulbayt a.s , and you then make those 100 dua's with the blessings , you aren't really adding it of your own whims, you're merely following my sunnah (hypothetically speaking)

Again, i have not ruled out the Imam a.s actually scribing the line in his hadith , so we must be careful before making that conclusion- i will inshAllah find out for you. When i do so i will inform you :smile:

But i argued irrespective or not, it is what is in the sunnah.

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Ruh

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Original post by Tawheed

Peace be with you,

The issue of Imamah has been mentioned by Imam Ali a.s, Muhammed pbuh, and the other members of the Ahlulbayt of Muhammed pbuh several times in authentic hadiths in the shia-school of thought.

Within every Dua authentic hadiths tell us to send blessings to Muhammed pbuh and his chosen ahlul bayt a.s, and it's something that's known unanimously and therefore it's already known that one is recommended to do so.

I have heard of a hadith referring to 12 righteous people or something, never 12 Imams (of the Ahlul Bayt); I would be interested to see if there is anything which you feel more clearly supports the position of believing in 12 imams

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Original post by Ruh

I have heard of a hadith referring to 12 righteous people or something, never 12 Imams (of the Ahlul Bayt); I would be interested to see if there is anything which you feel more clearly supports the position of believing in 12 imams

Peace be with you,

I'll give you a reply on the shia discussion thread inshAllah to avoid posting too much on this thread(this is more for all schools) . Suffice to say i have extremely convincing evidence, and am pretty sure of my position(while open enough to debate and change), having had family from all schools of thought and having given it serious contemplation.

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[QUOTE="Tawheed;55539013"]
To give you a fully balanced explanation:

In what universe is "balanced" interpreted as "my side of the argument"

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Original post by Ibn Fulaan

In what universe is "balanced" interpreted as "my side of the argument"

I won't debate here, but by balanced i meant an inclusive discussion explaining and detailing everything i am trying to claim. It is my interpretation, but not restricted to my school but other schools as well.

I have always given discussions considering both sides, but my intention was not to refute one school of thought, it was merely to present the view of my own school as the question was what i believed.

It would be unwise to refute one school of thought / look at their arguments and then refute on this particular thread. I don't think this is the place anymore to do so. This is a place for all muslims to feel at peace in.

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(CH3)4 - Si

There is always too much sectarian violence going on in this thread :sigh:

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Original post by Tawheed

I won't debate here, but by balanced i meant an inclusive discussion explaining and detailing everything i am trying to claim. It is my interpretation, but not restricted to my school but other schools as well.

I have always given discussions considering both sides, but my intention was not to refute one school of thought, it was merely to present the view of my own school as the question was what i believed.

It would be unwise to refute one school of thought / look at their arguments and then refute on this particular thread. I don't think this is the place anymore to do so. This is a place for all muslims to feel at peace in.

Im still at a loss as to how "balanced" means "my side of the argument

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binarythoughts

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Original post by Ibn Fulaan

Im still at a loss as to how "balanced" means "my side of the argument

It doesn't. I don't understand what you have against Tawheed though.

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(CH3)4 - Si

Original post by binarythoughts

It doesn't. I don't understand what you have against Tawheed though.

Well if we have anything against tawheed then that is surely a big big act of disbelief

Tawheed is an absolute foundation in islam which all muslims subscribe to :dontknow:

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Original post by Ibn Fulaan

Im still at a loss as to how "balanced" means "my side of the argument

The issue is i was not debating on the ISOC thread - only answering a question, and hence i had no real duty to be debating or trying to show the other side while refuting the other side.

I was only answering a question to respect the rules of the thread. Balanced in this context meant i answered the question and used evidence, and so my answer to the question was fair, everything i claimed was evidenced and hence my answer when weighed was a balanced one - not one of claims and no evidence, but one of both claims balanced by the evidence.

I think i'll leave it at that, it's very difficult to draw the line between a debate and a discussion and so i'll carry this on with you if you quote me on another thread, or we risk debating about debating lol and i don't think the ISOC is the right place to be debating.

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Original post by (CH3)4 - Si

Well if we have anything against tawheed then that is surely a big big act of disbelief

Tawheed is an absolute foundation in islam which all muslims subscribe to :dontknow:

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LOL!

I think she meant me!

This genuinely made me laugh guys. I love it when this happens haha

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Original post by binarythoughts

It doesn't.

I don't understand what you have against Tawheed though.

Then would you agree that tawheeds claim that the post was "balanced" was incorrect?

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binarythoughts

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Original post by Ibn Fulaan

Then would you agree that tawheeds claim that the post was "balanced" was incorrect?

Is this headed into the Shia vs Sunni views of the ahlulbayt?

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Original post by Tawheed

I was only answering a question to respect the rules of the thread. Balanced in this context meant i answered the question and used evidence, and so my answer to the question was fair, everything i claimed was evidenced and hence my answer when weighed was a balanced one - not one of claims and no evidence, but one of both claims balanced by the evidence.

So by "my argument is balanced" you meant "my argument is balanced between my opinion and the evidence i have quoted"?

That has got to be the strangest use of the word i have ever seen. If i followed it in my history a level exam id have failed lol.

a Balanced argument usually means "assessing both sides then coming to a conclusion.

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Original post by binarythoughts

Is this headed into the Shia vs Sunni views of the ahlulbayt?

I do not understand you.

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Original post by Ibn Fulaan

X.

I'll PM you what i mean, i don't want to clutter the ISOC thread with debates.

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binarythoughts

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Original post by Ibn Fulaan

I do not understand you.

Okay.

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