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Pray for me, exam in the morning

Brother/sister, I have a genuine question from myself - this is a question seeking a simple answer, not at all intended for further or detailed discussion:

Do you believe that ahlu-Sunnah wal-jama'ah unanimously believe that Allah ta'ala is restricted by time, or by space? I've seen posts that suggest this in the past, so was wondering.

Dear brothers,

It is clear Ibn Fulaan has an influence on IdeasForLife, you both meet up in real life, talk, and he seems like a bigger brother to you. Therefore it is of no surprise to me the views you hold, having seen them change - but i won't go into that. You're a medic , you've probably done a psychology module, so you know what i'm talking about.

I do still love you both as my muslim brothers in faith. I think you're sincere, albeit to different degrees , we just disagree on issues, and i feel it is not to do with your sincerity or wish for justice, simply being unaware of things or preconceived biases.

But lets keep it at that.

Ideas 4 life hasn't ever even seen my face and i think he is older than me.

i don't really care what you think of me and it would have been better for you not to respond to what was a clear joke of mine because i don't plan on leaving this unanswered.

Am i not allowed to respond a joke with a joke? (read the tone of my post) I think we should leave it there, there's no need for animosity, i have already told you i love you as my muslim brother.

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That's a misquote. Here is what i actually wrote:

"I do still love you both as my muslim brothers in faith. I think you're sincere, albeit to different degrees , we just disagree on issues, and i feel it is not to do with your sincerity or wish for justice, simply being unaware of things or preconceived biases. "

I won't debate on the ISOC , i must again state, nor be provoked into debating. Let us follow the sunnah of Muhammed pbuh and abandon this argument, peace?

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For all those who are about to go through exams, i pray for you, may you be granted success to pass, be successful human beings and try to better our world with your knowledge.

For those who do not do so well, may Allah swt grant you patience and resilience to try again, keep going.

Haha pray for meee toooo

For all those who are about to go through exams, i pray for you, may you be granted success to pass, be successful human beings and try to better our world with your knowledge.

For those who do not do so well, may Allah swt grant you patience and resilience to try again, keep going.

Potato

Peace and blessings be with you,

As you are a moderator, i know i am safe in replying.

Before answering your question, let me give a little bit of a background of myself. Half my family are from the ahlul-sunnah-wal-jamaah, i am living with my ahlul-sunnah family right now - and they are a moderately informed group of people. I'm also looking to get married to someone who was also part of the ahlul-sunnah wal jamaah. I also thoroughly enjoy the works of brother Hamzah Tzortis, and regularly united with my sunni brothers against atheistic ideologies and to prove the existence of God on these boards.

You see, part of my extensive research into Islam came when i was having doubts at one point - years ago. I have done absolutely pain-staking research on this very issue, because Taweheed is the foundation of Imaan.

I understand one thing, the ahlul-sunnah wal-jamaah do not believe Allah swt is bound by time or space. However, there are things, and i am saying this having ahlul-sunnah family that i contest and think are problematic, maybe you can discuss this with me on a different thread.

Before i go on, let me also say i only affirm what Allah swt says in his own book. But i feel this concept is distorted.

1. The idea Allah swt is 'above' the throne- and taking this literally. I.E Allah swt is literally above his throne. Allah swt is the one who created 'where', he existed before there was a 'where' and 'how'. Therefore it is not tenable to begin to describe him by means of direction. Before he created the 'throne' - where was he? If one believes he is above the throne it means he created it under him, therefore was already contained within an area where he was limited by direction.

2. The idea Allah swt literally descends to the lowest heaven. Now, many among the ahlul-sunnah-wal jamaah refute those, mostly in the salafi group (correct me if i am wrong) who believe Allah swt literally descends, but we must not ask how. They state Allah swt can not be limited by movement, by time, by literally going from X to Y, he is free of all such need.

3. The idea Allah swt has a Shin or tangible parts, but we must not affirm or deny what they are, merely accept he has a shin. If you look at the arabic, it is a metaphor to men severe punishment, and many translations reflect it, and such a interpretation is dangerous. Allah swt has no limited form, confine, shape - even if we say it is not like ours, it is disingenuous as we've likened it literally speaking.

4. The idea on the day of judgment , as in Sahih Al Bukhari , he will change forms and then put his foot into hell. Even if we state his foot is not like our foot and w must only affirm he has a unique foot we can not imagine, we still divide Allah swt into separate parts, however unimaginable, while Allah swt is unchanging, one without any division, ahad, and is not limited. Allah swt is unchanging, eternal, he can not experience change.

Here's an example i'll give:

[video="youtube;Fr5cZZ-2DAE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr5cZZ-2DAE[/video]


You see, i also affirm whatever Allah swt himself states in the Quran. For example, he states wheresoever i may turn, there is the face of Allah swt, and everything will perish except his face. By looking at both verses, it is clear this is allegorical(and also looking at hadith and tafseer on this issue) and therefore improper for someone to give the verse a literal interpretation that he has a face, but not like ours, and then claim to only affirm what is in the Quran after wrongly interpreting it.


I've studied this whole issue in depth, and i would be welcome to cordial debate or discussion , maybe on another thread.

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