Conservative government... good or bad?

All government is bad? Any reasons for that comment?

They initiate violence and rob people, which I think is bad.

They initiate violence? Do you think there'd be less violence without government?

When you say rob people, do you mean taxes? Because the tax system is there to make sure the poorest in society can survive - I really don't see how that is bad.

Depends on three things:

1. How much money do you have?

2. Do you have a soul?

3. Are you rich?

There would, without a doubt, be less violence without the government.


Being poor doesn't mean you are utterly useless and require a government to survive.
Charity would still exist, humans are generally more generous than not. The welfare system is an abomination that incentives bad behaviour such as having more children than you can afford and single non working parent families. This creates an underclass of dependants.

It doesn't matter it may help people, taking money from other people is theft. The ends does not justify the means.

I think it's a pisstake when people say "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer"

Well, yes, the rich will always get richer at a significantly higher rate, but what's the problem if everyone is feeling the benefit? Socialists just want to see the gap closed between rich and poor, even if the closure would mean that everyone gets poorer as a result.


Poor at 5k and rich at 5m or Poor at 25k and rich at 50bn .. which one is the net benefit? Nothing wrong with inequality.

The poor never had a longer than two-year period of negative net worth since 1929 ... and before than 1873 ... it's the biggest lie made up by latte liberals and champagne socialists. "The Poor" have never had it so good as today, and will only be better at the end of this Parliament.

Exactly, if the poor are getting richer they have no right to complain that the rich are as well.

By the way, have you got anything against champagne socialism?

This is insane.

How can you say there would be less violence without a government 'without a doubt'? Just imagine all the violent crime that would take place; stealing, revenge etc. So that's argument #1 dealt with.

And yes, one of the reasons we have a welfare system is because there are people in this country who simply would not survive without it. Charity would still exist, but it wouldn't give any where near as much as people need to survive. Another terrible argument.

And by the way, it isn't theft if the tax is levied by the government who are in charge of the country. So your argument there is at fault as well.

Yes.

If people are rich but they want to help the poorer and they refuse to contribute, they are hypocritical. People who hoard more money than they would under their own political beliefs are terrible. Brand etc.

"Give me your money and let me redistribute it among other people while I keep my own"

People are capable of defending their own property and organising themselves without the need of government. There would be a market for defence as well for security guards and etc.


Are you blind to the stealing that takes place now? What happens if there is no government and some thugs threaten to kill me if I don't give up some of my income to them? Do you not see the irony here?




There are not many people who exclusively claim welfare and don't work but would it matter? If you die due to your own laziness that is your own problem. These type of people are very rare however.
If you require stolen money from people to survive I really have no sympathy for you.

You also have no evidence charity wouldn't be enough. People would have more money to spend (and donate voluntarily) if the government did not take stuff from them.





Theft: A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent.
You just redefined theft so the state is exempt from it. Why not do the same for all crimes?
If the state commanded its agents to just start killing people would you object to this being called murder?

You can't just give exemptions to the state. If it is wrong for individuals to take another persons stuff without their consent then it is wrong for a state to do it as well.

Governments are not legitimate things, they solely exist by nothing other than its ability to violently subjugate the people it intends to subjugate, and its means to kill anyone who threatens said ability.

I think it's a pisstake when people say "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer"

Well, yes, the rich will always get richer at a significantly higher rate, but what's the problem if everyone is feeling the benefit? Socialists just want to see the gap closed between rich and poor, even if the closure would mean that everyone gets poorer as a result.

Poor at 5k and rich at 5m or Poor at 25k and rich at 50bn .. which one is the net benefit? Nothing wrong with inequality.

"The Poor" have never had it so good as today, and will only be better at the end of this Parliament.

following the GE2015 victory of the conservatives, I've heard nothing but bad things about Cameron and his party. I've heard things like the NHS being privatised, education getting harder and uni fees rising. the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer...

i want to know, is it all that bad?

i also want to know positive aspects of a conservative govt.

1. It seems to me that it is much more cost-effective to have a government that uses the rule of law rather than for everyone to have their own armed security guard. I'm in the fortunate position to be in a very wealthy family, and I'm guessing that we'd need about 8 security guards to defend our main property - with the government there to makes these acts illegal, the need for security guards has gone down to pretty much zero.
2. Haha you're doing my job for me here - yes, I know there is stealing new, but I'm fairly certain it'd be even worse if there wasn't a state. It's like you live in a house under a dam and, having seen there is a small leak, you orde the dam to be smashed through, despite the damage it would do to your house.
3. What a blind, elderly woman who can't get a job? It's very easy for people like you to say tasteless things like that, but when it comes to the real world, you'd find it a lot harder.
4. Yes I do. Charity donations by UK residents (most of which went abroad, by the way, so we can dramatically reduce the following figure) was about £9 billion in 2012. State welfare payments were about £200 billion in 2012. So yes, I do have proof - please actually do a bit of research before you write nonsense like this.
5. If I earned, say, £60k p/a I really wouldn't want to be donating much to charity at all. It's much better for the state to impose direct taxes than for individuals to give to charity. It's sweet that you think most people are by nature charitable, but as your comment earlier about having no sympathy for those who cannot survive shows, they are not.
6. Youve assumed it is a crime. And nice straw man, by the way. No, I do not approve of the state's 'agents' killing individuals but imposing direct taxes is a bit different from killing someone...
7. No. The state, being in control the country, allows the individuals therein to become rich and earn their own money. In return, they ask for taxes to ensure the country remains able to purchase infrastructure, fund an army, and make sure people don't die on the streets. It's not a radical idea.
8. Who did it kill?

It's a nice try, but your going to have to do a lot better to successfully argue that a government is a bad thing...

Your last comment assumes that there is a limited amount of money about - that the opportunity cost of giving bankers bonuses is the inability to pay public sector employees or invest in public services. That's just not the case.

So many people became politicians on the day of elections, most of which were quick to say "Conservatives only care about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" aka, something they probably heard their grandparents mention a few years back..

When you look into it, it's not all bad - it'll never be perfect.. Pleasing a whole country is something that's virtually impossible. Each party had their positives and strong points, I personally felt as if Conservatives had the best all round strong point(s).