Corbyn voted new labour leader.

Perfectly happy those lefties voted in an unwinnable candidate.

Last thing UK needs at No.10 is a London Met dropout dinosaur from the past.

I've been sleeping soundly knowing that in 2020 it will be George Osborne as PM

The loss of 15% of English Labour voters would be fairly dire in practise, especially if distributed more in the marginal seats.

On the Trot thing, I think Corbyn is less of an obvious Trot than some - he's pretty solidly of the Old Hard Left tendancy within Labour, widely known at the time as Bennite. I assume you would agree that Tony Benn wasn't an entryist Trot? There really isn't much between Corbyn and Benn.

The issue is about how broad Labour is. From a left perspective, the entryists are the neoliberals like Blair and his supporters. From a right one, they are the Bennites.

In reality, a good Labour leader has to somehow juggle these and maintain a common front for getting some good things done. Blair in my opinion went too far to the right, whereas I don't doubt that Corbyn is too far to the left to not lose some valuable people and alienate some voters.

However, in the meantime, it probably is a good thing for Labour to have an unusually left wing leader. At minimum, it will help the party go through one of its periodic struggles to define what it is in a new age. Corbyn's old fashioned union rhetoric isn't on the face of it much help, but it will apply pressure to the moderate and centre left to come up with new and plausible policies.

I am fairly sure myself that Jezza will be dumped before the next election, probably in a couple of years - in the meantime, a lot of controversy will be regularly stirred up on all kinds of issues and there will be real debates in the country, not the facile, phony disputations of the Crony Period, when all of the top New Labour and New Conservative politicians basically agreed with each other.

I felt unwelcome in a national party that voted for austerity and a regional party that screwed over a city's sports teams out of spite and brought shame on the city in the Pelka case. I saw Labour stand with the Tories in the referendum which we very nearly lost. With all this and a leader slating the unions I felt Labour no longer stood for me so I resigned my membership.

The above approach has lost us all but 1 MP in Scotland to a party that took the positions we should have taken. So when 1 leadership candidate at last takes a proper stance against the Tories and excites people all over Britain, I see someone who might be able to change that. The battle for the centre ground has failed. Give left of centre politics a proper chance, and if it fails it fails, but at least we will have more pride about it.




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Well why didn't you join the greens/SNP then???

This isn't about policies, this is about personal attacks and being shouted down.

I am not a Scottish nationalist funnily enough. Though the loss of 40 MPs to them doesn't seem to concern you.


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Perfectly happy those lefties voted in an unwinnable candidate.

Last thing UK needs at No.10 is a London Met dropout dinosaur from the past.

I've been sleeping soundly knowing that in 2020 it will be George Osborne as PM

In opposition you do not have access to the security secrets and therefore Tories had only what Labour fed them and worked from there. Expecting them to be psychic and read the minds of Labour is childish and plain stupid. You fail to address the point of why Labour voters still voted for Blair in 2005. They clearly supported the mass invasion and the war crimes. Labour voters worshipped the ground Blair walked on, it is actually quite sickening. Blair and his cabinet all worked in a close circle so the Labour Party as a whole was corrupt yet you people still supported them, strange?

For the older generation of TSRians there are some things one always remembers: where you watched Neil Armstrong walking on the moon; where you were when you heard John Lennon had been shot; how you found out about the toppling of the twin towers; who told you John Major had had an affair with Edwina Currie.

Now hot off the press:-

Jeremy 4 Diane


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4559169.ece

Stop deflecting.

40 seats<<<<middle england

For the older generation of TSRians there are some things one always remembers: where you watched Neil Armstrong walking on the moon; where you were when you heard John Lennon had been shot; how you found out about the toppling of the twin towers; who told you John Major had had an affair with Edwina Currie.

Now hot off the press:-

Jeremy 4 Diane


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4559169.ece

For the older generation of TSRians there are some things one always remembers: where you watched Neil Armstrong walking on the moon; where you were when you heard John Lennon had been shot; how you found out about the toppling of the twin towers; who told you John Major had had an affair with Edwina Currie.

Now hot off the press:-

Jeremy 4 Diane


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4559169.ece

This.

The UK clearly didn't want Miliband's more left views, never mind Corbyn.

Ok, so you get Liz Kendell as PM. She gets in by taking working tax credits from low earning workers. How is that goign to stop 2008 2.0? What was the point?

She doesn't support cutting working tax credits so you my friend are talking balls.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but here she is on July 15 supporting the Harman position to accept government cuts to tax credits.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/13/liz-kendall-backs-harriet-harman-in-labour-welfare-row

What is wrong with you people that you can't understand that not wanting to be seen as opposing something that has majority public support is not the same as having it as a personal policy you would push through if you were leader?!

Do you have any understanding of how politics works?

The public's knowledge of the facts on welfare differs greatly from the reality as countless polls show. This goes for immigration as well while we're at it, and 'Red' Ed another misconception successfully achieved by the nation's media.

But it's alright because Labour might win in Watford if they go along with this consensus, but they probably won't because the full fat Tories offer a more wholehearted condemnation of the welfare state.


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