EU's New Copyright Proposal Will Be A Complete And Utter Disaster For The Internet

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180525/10072939912/forget-gdpr-eus-new-copyright-proposal-will-be-complete-utter-disaster-internet.shtml

EU jealous of Britain's censorship capabilities and trying to push their own. A culture of ~~corruption~~ lobbying probably helped too.

If this passes the EU will collapse.

Reply 1

Napp

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I rather doubt some piddling issue like obscure copyright law will make the EU "collapse" as opposed to the attacks coming from the East and instability in Italy.

Reply 2

AngeryPenguin

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Original post by Napp

I rather doubt some piddling issue like obscure copyright law will make the EU "collapse" as opposed to the attacks coming from the East and instability in Italy.

"Piddling little issue"

- Websites won't be allowed to host copyrighted content they don't posses. You won't be able to put a picture from [photographer] on Imgur for example.
- Websites putting a snippet of an article on an other website will have to pay a licence to the website in question. TSR would have to pay a license fee each time someone posts a snippet of a news article in this forum.
- Creations of "upload filters". If TSR didn't pay the "link preview tax" to the Guardian, they have to censor any post/comment with a link to it.

Take search engines for example. This law would make them not show previews of the linked webpages - so you'd make a search, and be presented with a list of urls, nothing more.

And of course, small websites will be very hard hit by this - small blogs for instance quite simply won't have the infrastructure to do this kind of thing.

https://juliareda.eu/2018/05/censorship-machines-link-tax-finish-line/

Some piddling interferance from Russia or trade war with America are nothing compared to the EU being upending the entire internet. It would be an utterly s_icidal display, showing malevolent interference from a bloated beurocracy stemming from utter incompetence and corruption (lobbying from publishers).

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Reply 3

RickHendricks

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Explains all the "updated privacy policy that i've been getting recently"

Reply 4

AngeryPenguin

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Original post by RickHendricks

Explains all the "updated privacy policy that i've been getting recently"

No, that is GDPR's doing (and GDPR is fine).

Reply 5

RickHendricks

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

No, that is GDPR's doing (and GDPR is fine).

Oh well. The EU was good. I don't think they are able to maintain that title though :smile:

Reply 6

Napp

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

"Piddling little issue"

- Websites won't be allowed to host copyrighted content they don't posses. You won't be able to put a picture from [photographer] on Imgur for example.
- Websites putting a snippet of an article on an other website will have to pay a licence to the website in question. TSR would have to pay a license fee each time someone posts a snippet of a news article in this forum.
- Creations of "upload filters". If TSR didn't pay the "link preview tax" to the Guardian, they have to censor any post/comment with a link to it.

Take search engines for example. This law would make them not show previews of the linked webpages - so you'd make a search, and be presented with a list of urls, nothing more.

And of course, small websites will be very hard hit by this - small blogs for instance quite simply won't have the infrastructure to do this kind of thing.

https://juliareda.eu/2018/05/censorship-machines-link-tax-finish-line/

I stand by what I said.
Now to clarify; is what you just actually going to happen/is happening or is this a base assumption from you?

Original post by AngeryPenguin

No, that is GDPR's doing (and GDPR is fine).

God bless GDPR - i'm getting 1/10th of the spam I used to get thanks to it.

Reply 7

AngeryPenguin

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Original post by Napp

I stand by what I said.
Now to clarify; is what you just actually going to happen/is happening or is this a base assumption from you?

dw, I know you better than to expect you to change your mind.

A similar (although far less wide-reaching, mostly just targeting Google News) law was passed in Spain a few years back, and in Germany a while before that, and you can see what happened in both cases.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141030/17102328990/spain-passes-copyright-law-demands-payment-snippets-linking-to-infringing-content.shtml

Reply 8

Chucke1992

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Original post by Napp

God bless GDPR - i'm getting 1/10th of the spam I used to get thanks to it.

I have always curious - where do people get all these spam? I mean I have accounts in multiple sides and wherever I asked to get newsletter I chose myself.

But anyway governments all over the world are playing around with filtering and censorship. And tons of people believing that "we should ban what we don't like" doesn't help to resolve the issue. But whatever.

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Reply 9

AngeryPenguin

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Blorg.

https://news.sky.com/story/memes-will-be-banned-under-new-eu-copyright-law-warn-campaigners-11398577

Reply 10

Axiomasher

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180525/10072939912/forget-gdpr-eus-new-copyright-proposal-will-be-complete-utter-disaster-internet.shtml

EU jealous of Britain's censorship capabilities and trying to push their own. A culture of ~~corruption~~ lobbying probably helped too.

If this passes the EU will collapse.

Reply 11

SHallowvale

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180525/10072939912/forget-gdpr-eus-new-copyright-proposal-will-be-complete-utter-disaster-internet.shtml

EU jealous of Britain's censorship capabilities and trying to push their own. A culture of ~~corruption~~ lobbying probably helped too.

If this passes the EU will collapse.

Had a read into this. You can find the full proposal text here. I'll make three points:

Article 13/Upload Filters:

What exactly is wrong with this?

Suppose I have ownership of some content (art, music, a film, etc) and form an argeement with large internet sites, such as Twitter, Youtube, etc, stating that no user can upload my content. All this article does is mandate that these sites stick to that agreement through monitoring the content that gets uploaded and, where necessary, removing it.

I know from experience that Youtube already does this, particularly with clips or audio samples from TV shows or films.

All this would do is make it harder to upload content which is both 1) copyrighted and 2) actively 'protected/defended' by the rightholder. As said earlier, this will largely involve things like TV shows, films and music, since their respective rightholders are typically very anal about having their content on the internet.

Article 11/Link Tax:

My argument about this is the same as that of Article 13. All Article 11 does is apply existing copyright law with respect to 'physical' media (written media, television broadcasts, etc, read Articles 2 and 3 here) into digital media.

My point is, again, so what? Someone who created a piece of content and has the full rights to them can (and should, I think) have the ability to say who can/cannot upload/copy their work and, to an extent, how.

General Point:

How widespread will this be enforced? At the moment a lot of rightholders of content do not actively stop people from sharing their work. All this proposal would do is give the rightholders who do want to protect their work more rights to protect it.

I expect that in many cases, rightholders will not seek to create argeeements with information services because it's either too cumbersome, not worth the effort or not in their interests. Or, perhaps, that they themselves do not mind their work being shown anywhere on the internet.

As for memes, which you seem to think will suddenly disappear, no, they won't disappear.

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

And of course, small websites will be very hard hit by this - small blogs for instance quite simply won't have the infrastructure to do this kind of thing.

I am not aware of the details of the EU bill but it is all well and good talking about how the internet will collapse forgetting of course that the internet seems to thrive on the wholesale copying [for free] of copyrighted material without any thought for the creator. A swing in the correct direction is surely no bad thing?

Reply 14

Just my opinion

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If you can spare 5 minutes Dave Cullen from Computing Forever gives a good explanation of why it may be disasterous.

https://youtu.be/4Yiny2EePIc

Reply 15

Jammy Duel

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Don't be absurd, it is an EU proposal and therefore is literally perfect in every way, stop being so wacist!

Reply 16

AngeryPenguin

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Original post by ByEeek

I am not aware of the details of the EU bill but it is all well and good talking about how the internet will collapse forgetting of course that the internet seems to thrive on the wholesale copying [for free] of copyrighted material without any thought for the creator. A swing in the correct direction is surely no bad thing?

There is indeed a problem with copyright infringement. Things like fining Google for hosting full resolution images from sites they scraped I agree with, but this proposal is not the way to go about solving it.

Reply 17

SHallowvale

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Original post by AngeryPenguin

There is indeed a problem with copyright infringement. Things like fining Google for hosting full resolution images from sites they scraped I agree with, but this proposal is not the way to go about solving it.

Why not?

Also, thanks for ignoring my post... -.-

Reply 18

SHallowvale

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Original post by Jammy Duel

Don't be absurd, it is an EU proposal and therefore is literally perfect in every way, stop being so wacist!

You've somehow managed to completely ignore the subject of this thread and have instead used it as an opportunity to spout general anti-EU, anti-PC drivel. Well done!

Try to grow up.