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Original post by karmacrunch
I like capitalism, at least I prefer it to communism.
Also-"get them while they're young"
Seriously, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Also-"get them while they're young"
Seriously, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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I just mean children and teenagers are easy to target with advertising and marketing etc. That may have sounded dodgier than I intended.
Hi Autistic Merit,
I was led to believe that you were discussing retail companies opposed to school uniform, they're completely different due to the fact that you're told to conform to the rules of the school and no school wants to be seen as having revealing students. However no one can stop what people want to wear outside of employment and schools.
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I was led to believe that you were discussing retail companies opposed to school uniform, they're completely different due to the fact that you're told to conform to the rules of the school and no school wants to be seen as having revealing students. However no one can stop what people want to wear outside of employment and schools.
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Original post by Autistic Merit
The bottom line is that we have an unacceptable situation in which Year 8 girls, say, are being allowed to go to school or around town dressed in bottoms that can only really be described as underwear.
I am not going far enough to debate specifics as I am too tired for a start. All I am saying is that surely something could be done to ensure that kids aren't going around wearing essentially less clothes than Tori Black?
I am not going far enough to debate specifics as I am too tired for a start. All I am saying is that surely something could be done to ensure that kids aren't going around wearing essentially less clothes than Tori Black?
I'm not suggesting we debate specifics. I'm pointing out the absurdity of what you are suggesting.
The problem isn't that children wear silly clothes - it's that people get worked up, dizzy and confused by it. Where's the problem here? A 13 year old wearing a short skirt, or a teacher comparing her to a pornographic actress?
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
I just mean children and teenagers are easy to target with advertising and marketing etc.
That may have sounded dodgier than I intended.
That may have sounded dodgier than I intended.
Ah okay, I agree but I still think that parents should take responsibility.
Yeah it did, especially with the nodding smiley
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Original post by Blue_Mason
The real question is why would any parent allow their child to dress like a slut?
Yeah because short skirts equal promiscuous behaviour.
God forbid legs being shown.
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Original post by Autistic Merit
For example, why do shops sell really short shorts/skirts for girls who are about 12 or 13? Can a law not be passed to stop this?
Like saying why does McDonalds still serve severely overweight people.
Original post by Clip
I'm not suggesting we debate specifics. I'm pointing out the absurdity of what you are suggesting.
The problem isn't that children wear silly clothes - it's that people get worked up, dizzy and confused by it. Where's the problem here? A 13 year old wearing a short skirt, or a teacher comparing her to a pornographic actress?
The problem isn't that children wear silly clothes - it's that people get worked up, dizzy and confused by it. Where's the problem here? A 13 year old wearing a short skirt, or a teacher comparing her to a pornographic actress?
Not my words but another (female) teacher: "these kids are dressed like sluts" in reference to a Year 7 class. Whilst the specifics of that are hard to define, I am not the only person who things that young children wearing revealing clothing is a serious problem.
Original post by Autistic Merit
Not my words but another (female) teacher: "these kids are dressed like sluts" in reference to a Year 7 class. Whilst the specifics of that are hard to define, I am not the only person who things that young children wearing revealing clothing is a serious problem.
This is the problem. You have an idea that something offends you, but you can't define what it is. This is probably because it's a state of mind rather than anything attached to the clothes themselves.
Like I said - you would be hard pushed to find a single skirt for sale for a 5 year old girl that wouldn't (in adult scale) be considered a mini skirt. And I don't think anyone is worried by this - 5 year olds wear these things. It's what they do.
But you can't define when it stops being ok. Why can a 5 year old wear a miniskirt, but a 12 year old can't?
This whole idea of "covering up" or "revealing" is also paradoxical. Some schools say that girls can't wear over the knee socks, but they can wear knee, calf or ankle socks. Intuitively, this makes no sense - why is it ok to wear less? If wearing more clothes is sexualising, then we have a problem. Everything has to be defined.
My take on it is that it's a lot of fuss about nothing. The problem is in the minds of the people with the problems. Your colleague has a problem in that she thinks it's possible to "dress like a slut". That's the problem.
I know a girl who dresses rather conservatively, but she could suck start a Harley.
It's a funny one really; why should clothing be categorised as 'revealing' or inappropriate simply because it shows skin? I was playing football the other day with a few friends and their kids. Several of us, including a 7/8 year old, had our shirts off. Ooh, the horror. Of course, nobody gave a **** because it's normal. And several of the women had very short shorts, including a youngish girl. Oh no! Or, "that's appropriate clothing for a warm day".
It's appropriate clothing for a warm day.
I don't know why, simply because of moral hysteria, paedo-panics and buzzwords like 'sexualisation', children (or anyone else) should be looked down upon for dressing how they want. If I could wear a short skirt and a crop top to work, I would. I'd horrify the rest of the office but I'm not trying to be sexy, I just want a cooling breeze on my beer gut.
I'd have an issue with Ann Summers doing kids ranges. I don't like the idea of t shirts with 'sexy' on them in the kids section of Tesco. And anyway, I'm sure if you took the short skirts out of the kids section, they'd be buying size 4/6 from the adult section anyway. Like they've been doing since the 1960s. It really isn't much of a deal, the only people whinging about sluts and sexualisation are probably seeing problems that aren't really there. Even those who do it to dress 'attractively' are engaging in a far more innocent and normal behaviour than you're allowing for, it's been a quite normal stage of growing up for many years.
It's appropriate clothing for a warm day.
I don't know why, simply because of moral hysteria, paedo-panics and buzzwords like 'sexualisation', children (or anyone else) should be looked down upon for dressing how they want. If I could wear a short skirt and a crop top to work, I would. I'd horrify the rest of the office but I'm not trying to be sexy, I just want a cooling breeze on my beer gut.
I'd have an issue with Ann Summers doing kids ranges. I don't like the idea of t shirts with 'sexy' on them in the kids section of Tesco. And anyway, I'm sure if you took the short skirts out of the kids section, they'd be buying size 4/6 from the adult section anyway. Like they've been doing since the 1960s. It really isn't much of a deal, the only people whinging about sluts and sexualisation are probably seeing problems that aren't really there. Even those who do it to dress 'attractively' are engaging in a far more innocent and normal behaviour than you're allowing for, it's been a quite normal stage of growing up for many years.
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Original post by corax
Yeah because short skirts equal promiscuous behaviour.
God forbid legs being shown.
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God forbid legs being shown.
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Am I wrong to judge when such evidence is being displayed?I mean who are you trying to impress?You know that they're all types of men about and yet you still decide to dress like a slut that seeks attention
I have seen mothers pushing their babies dressed like this so I have the right to validate my opinion
By reading the OP's previous discussions is pretty obvious to see why this man doesn't like "12 or 13" year olds wearing skirts, he can't state why it offends him because it probably doesn't, it seems to me that the only reason he's bothered by it is because he's attracted to adolescents (evidence of his previous discussions/posts back this up, he's freely admitted it) so i don't think his issue is being "offended" .. I just think the temptation is too much for him.
OP, your previous discussions disturb me.
1. Attraction to adolescents (where you freely admit you are attracted to adolescents).
2. Why is forbidden relationship so attractive? (where you as a teacher are attractive to "forbidden relationships" ...)
And now this one? I feel like children are unsafe around you, you're a teacher and you're talking on a student forum asking about forbidden relationships and talking about your attraction to adolescents. You obviously have issues with children wearing skirts because it attracts and tempts you. Maybe you should get some help, i know i wouldn't be comfortable with you teaching a child of mine.
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OP, your previous discussions disturb me.
1. Attraction to adolescents (where you freely admit you are attracted to adolescents).
2. Why is forbidden relationship so attractive? (where you as a teacher are attractive to "forbidden relationships" ...)
And now this one? I feel like children are unsafe around you, you're a teacher and you're talking on a student forum asking about forbidden relationships and talking about your attraction to adolescents. You obviously have issues with children wearing skirts because it attracts and tempts you. Maybe you should get some help, i know i wouldn't be comfortable with you teaching a child of mine.
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Original post by Autistic Merit
For example, why do shops sell really short shorts/skirts for girls who are about 12 or 13? Can a law not be passed to stop this?
Because that's western society for you younger and younger, slaggier and slaggier, meawhile the same brigade is on the 'lets ban the burka' hype
There's is a problem, if a teacher thinks underage 11-12 year olds are having sex but is not investigating it, instead referring to them as sluts. I'm certain that if these kids were having sex it would be rape and they would be being abused.
But that's not what you're talking about, you're talking about how you see children in a sexual way based on how they dress.
I'm certain that their parents don't dress them up to attract adults, but because the clothes are cute or just look nice. There's nothing wrong with how a child dresses.
It's certainly not asking for anything from their adult teachers.
I don't see how it's a serious problem to you?
If you feel children are unsafe around you please don't teach.
But that's not what you're talking about, you're talking about how you see children in a sexual way based on how they dress.
I'm certain that their parents don't dress them up to attract adults, but because the clothes are cute or just look nice. There's nothing wrong with how a child dresses.
It's certainly not asking for anything from their adult teachers.
I don't see how it's a serious problem to you?
If you feel children are unsafe around you please don't teach.
Original post by Autistic Merit
Not my words but another (female) teacher: "these kids are dressed like sluts" in reference to a Year 7 class. Whilst the specifics of that are hard to define, I am not the only person who things that young children wearing revealing clothing is a serious problem.
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Wearing a short skirt doesn't necessarily scream sexualisation, I wore short tennis dresses as a kid, but it seems to me that the reason that girls are buying these skirts is because they are short, and thereby 'sexy'. I'm not making a skirt provocative, the companies know how girls view these items and they're capitalising on it. A 5 year old doesn't look at her school skirt and think 'I'm gonna wear this today so I look hot' but a 13 year old may - this is the difference.
I have a younger sister and when she shops with her friends, I reckon that 90% of the time the reason they purchase these clothes is not for a practical reason, such as to wear on a hot day, but to look a particular way. They might justify to their parents that the reason they've bought the crop top is because it's warm outside, but really, it's giving in to the pressure to look sexy and cool.
I just worry that some people will get the wrong idea about these girls and assume they are promiscious because of how they dress.
I have a younger sister and when she shops with her friends, I reckon that 90% of the time the reason they purchase these clothes is not for a practical reason, such as to wear on a hot day, but to look a particular way. They might justify to their parents that the reason they've bought the crop top is because it's warm outside, but really, it's giving in to the pressure to look sexy and cool.
I just worry that some people will get the wrong idea about these girls and assume they are promiscious because of how they dress.
In Korea it's against cultural rules for girls to show shoulder/cleavage but totally ok for girls to wear super tight hot pants/skirts whatever their age.
Cultural differences.
Example:
This would be considered hugely sexual in areas outside of Seoul in Korea:
Dressing like this is very common and totally acceptable to show this much leg.
Cultural differences.
Example:
This would be considered hugely sexual in areas outside of Seoul in Korea:
Dressing like this is very common and totally acceptable to show this much leg.
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Original post by Reue
Because clueless chavs buy them for their offspring.
Pretty much. Any decent parent wouldn't let their 12 year olds work around like that.
Why are you looking at the 12 year old in a skirt in that manner?
clearly the option is out there for them to dress as they wish. I'm still a firm believer of child innocence and I whole heartedly believe they do not dress in those clothing to be a "slut" but want to dress like many of there role models the kim kardashians the beyonces. Call me old fashioned but I hope my daughter if I have one looks up to the likes of Marie curie, Florence nightingale and Amelia Earhart.
clearly the option is out there for them to dress as they wish. I'm still a firm believer of child innocence and I whole heartedly believe they do not dress in those clothing to be a "slut" but want to dress like many of there role models the kim kardashians the beyonces. Call me old fashioned but I hope my daughter if I have one looks up to the likes of Marie curie, Florence nightingale and Amelia Earhart.
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