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    (Original post by The Clockwork Apple)
    Most pictures are taken from the Syrian conflict. Israelis are not trained to shoot children.
    That's funny since there are videos of them doing just that. In one you even see the IDF man imitate the shot child.


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    (Original post by The Clockwork Apple)
    Most pictures are taken from the Syrian conflict. Israelis are not trained to shoot children.
    they are trained to shoot and then they use that as they want
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    That doesn't answer my question. Islamists' views may be reprehensible, but that doesn't make those views the core problem of the entire conflict.
    This is a classic war between democrats and totalitarians.
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    (Original post by The Clockwork Apple)
    Most pictures are taken from the Syrian conflict. Israelis are not trained to shoot children.
    False, they are trained to shoot humans, and hence babies.
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    It was all an accident guys:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUibXSgILv0


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    There are reports from UNICEF mentioning how soldiers molested Palestine kids. And some people have the DUMB-ACITY to claim Israeli soldiers are not trained to shoot children

    Give me a bloody break
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    White House: Israel’s ‘50-year occupation’ must end now




    The White House has called on Israel to end its “50-year occupation” of the West Bank and East al-Quds (Jerusalem), criticizing Tel Aviv over its continued settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    In a speech to an American Jewish advocacy group in Washington on Monday, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough said, "An occupation that has lasted for almost 50 years must end, and the Palestinian people must have the right to live in and govern themselves in their own sovereign state.

    "
    “Israel cannot maintain military control of another people indefinitely, that's the truth,” McDonough said at the final event of J Street’s 2015 conference, a three-day gathering of American Jewish students, activists and lobbyists.“Palestinian children deserve the same right to be free in their own land as Israeli children in their land,” he said. “

    A two-state solution will finally bring Israelis the security and normalcy to which they are entitled, and Palestinians the sovereignty and dignity they deserve.”
    In a war in 1967, Israel captured the West Bank and East al-Quds. Since then, Tel Aviv has continued to expand its illegal settlements there. The issue has become a major obstacle for the efforts to establish peace in the Middle East.The UN and most countries regard the Israeli settlements as illegal.

    The settlements are subject to the Geneva Conventions, which forbids construction on occupied lands.
    In his speech, McDonough also condemned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over his dismissal of a two-state solution for Israelis and Palestinians.“The United States will never stop working for a two-state solution and a lasting peace that Israelis and Palestinians so richly deserve,” he said.

    He said Netanyahu’s rejection of a Palestine state as well as his approval of illegal settlements in the occupied territories for the strategic purpose of changing the borders are “so very troubling”.He censured Israel for its settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territories, warning that it “would only contribute to Israel’s further isolation.”

    On Tuesday, Netanyahu clinched a divisive victory in national elections. His rightwing Likud party won 30 of the 120 seats in parliament, against 24 for rivals in the center-left Zionist Union.Netanyahu made opposition to nuclear negotiations with Iran a centerpiece of his reelection campaign. He also rejected the idea of a Palestinian state, which has been a key element of US foreign policy.McDonough said, “America’s commitment to a two state solution is fundamental to US foreign policy.”“We will look to the next Israeli government to match words with action and to policies that demonstrates a commitment to a two state solution,”

    McDonough said.
    "In the end, we know what a peace agreement should look like. The borders of Israel and an independent Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps," he stated.Palestinians are seeking to create an independent state on the territories of the West Bank, East al-Quds, and the Gaza Strip and are demanding Israel to withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories.Tel Aviv, however, has refused to return to the 1967 borders and is unwilling to discuss the issue of al-Quds.More than half a million Israelis live in over 120 illegal settlements built since the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and East al-Quds in 1967.


    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/03...ation-must-end
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    Remove Hamas before even consider giving Palestine a statehood.
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    Remove Hamas before even consider giving Palestine a statehood.
    What about Israels army ..?
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    (Original post by Tawheed)
    What about Israels army ..?
    They're a) a state and b) not terrorists, so entitled to an army.
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    Well ... good luck with that pipe dream.
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    What is the Obama administration doing on foreign policy? Aggrevating Russia, cuddling up with the French causing damage to the special relationship; trying to bully the UK into not joining the Chinese, Utterly awful ISIS policy letting them expand with little intervention, nuclear negotation with Iran. And now they're attacking a legitimate liberal democracy? Have they done anything right?

    These idiots are insane.
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    Actually, after all this time, the world should recognise that the West Bank and Gaza are actually part of "Greater Israel"…

    And everyone living in those areas is a citizen of Israel (ie all the Palestinians).

    That'll make their next election a bit livelier.
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    (Original post by Tawheed)
    What about Israels army ..?
    it's an army. Not a terrorist group
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    I think people forget why borders changed in 1967.
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    Remove Hamas before even consider giving Palestine a statehood.
    why, they were elected weren't they?
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    They're a) a state and b) not terrorists, so entitled to an army.
    you clearly meant: not recognised by my as a terrorist organisation. considering various war crimes committed by them they aren't that far away.


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    Aggrevating Russia,
    you are right. they should look elsewhere when Rasputin rebuilds ussr 2.0, right? world already stood once quietly in similar situation- in 30's- did it bring peace?

    (Original post by whorace)
    cuddling up with the French causing damage to the special relationship;
    special re.... what? so-called "special relationship" exists mostly in Brits minds. there is no such thing as "SR", there are only current interests. and if you ask me, slightly cooling down the ties with US would only benefit UK and UE.

    (Original post by whorace)
    Utterly awful ISIS policy letting them expand with little intervention,
    maybe because us population had enough of wars on the middle east?

    (Original post by whorace)
    nuclear negotation with Iran.
    Which is probably the best thing to do. Better fighting isis and it's supporters (i.e. most sunni countries) with the hands of Iranians.

    (Original post by whorace)
    And now they're attacking a legitimate liberal democracy? Have they done anything right?
    so no-one is allowed to criticize Israelis than?
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    you are right. they should look elsewhere when Rasputin rebuilds ussr 2.0, right? world already stood once quietly in similar situation- in 30's- did it bring peace?

    (Original post by whorace)
    cuddling up with the French causing damage to the special relationship;[/quiet]

    special re.... what? so-called "special relationship" exists mostly in Brits minds. there is no such thing as "SR", there are only current interests. and if you ask me, slightly cooling down the ties with US would only benefit UK and UE.



    maybe because us population had enough of wars on the middle east?



    Which is probably the best thing to do. Better fighting isis and it's supporters (i.e. most sunni countries) with the hands of Iranians.



    so no-one is allowed to criticize Israelis than?
    I don't even know where to begin. Are you by any chance a member of the administration?

    Ukraine has serious tensions that may esculate into a hard conflict, this has been admitted by respected foreign relations experts on both sides, both Kissinger and Gorbachev made this comment, not to mention that the Russians do have a point, the Ukraine is not divided on a single ethnic line (many in the East consider themselves Russian, even Kissinger admits) and the revolution did topple a legitimate democracy with the help of fringe elements.

    The special relationship exists, although if that is the general attitude of the Obama administration it won't for long. And here I thought the UK and US interests were one, what a shame they would cuddle up to the French and call them their oldest ally because the vote on Syria didn't go their way.

    We both know the US population doesn't really care about war in the middle east, only small minorities of intellectuals and the rock scene seem to give a damn about peace in that country, it is one of the least effective countries for social democratic policies, and the reason is the US are very apathetic.

    Giving the Iranians nuclear weapons to contain a regional threat is like giving a guard a gun to kill an inmate when they only need to put them back in their cell, it's overkill and very dangerous.

    Of course you can criticise Israel. Can we please make criticisms based on factual evidence instead of left wing fantasy.
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    (Original post by whorace)
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    Of course you can criticise Israel. Can we please make criticisms based on factual evidence instead of left wing fantasy.
    Amen


    DISCLAIMER: Any evidence going against the Israeli governments narrative is not factual.

    Interesting approach though, suppose Obama wants to try and create some longer lasting legacy in the region. Though if the Republicans get back in it''ll mean sweet **** all.
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    (Original post by The Clockwork Apple)
    it's an army. Not a terrorist group
    Nazi Germany also had an army. What's your point?


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