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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    Well if we're going by age lets go at 22 then, you maturer then than you are at 18.
    And I think you should leave your side of the discussion to The_Opinion. Simply becoming rude and nasty just shows how you are feeling weak and are stuck for points. Don't use your views as an excuse to bully.
    dont cry xox
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    dont cry xox
    Excuse me? You think I'm going to cry over you.....how about you respond to my earlier point and start focusing on strengthening your argument.
    What you're doing right now is making you look weak. There's no need to get so defensive.
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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    Well if we're going by age lets go at 22 then, you maturer then than you are at 18.
    And I think you should leave your side of the discussion to The_Opinion. Simply becoming rude and nasty just shows how you are feeling weak and are stuck for points.
    Many people including myself would support raising the age of voting, thus ensuring that voters do have even more life experience.
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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    Excuse me? You think I'm going to cry over you.....how about you respond to my earlier point and start focusing on strengthening your argument.
    What you're doing right now is making you look weak. There's no need to get so defensive.
    lmao you are one triggered feminist aren't you. I already told you why, there are too many idiots like you. Our age group is so easily swayed by social media its shocking, even if 16-17 year olds were allowed to vote it wouldn't have made any difference to the EU result. No one really gave a **** until we left, only 36% of 18-24 year olds voted. Accept it and move on, if we move it 16, there probably will be 15 year olds wanting to vote, next thing you know we have 10 year olds voting
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Many people including myself would support raising the age of voting, thus ensuring that voters do have even more life experience.
    Okay, well to be honest then I can see your point.
    I do agree you have more life experience with age and I can see why you would argue this.
    But I don't just think that life experience comes with age. And I think even if you had limited life experience you should still get represented.
    The reason for me 10 year olds do not get a vote is because they are easily influenced and also do not know enough yet. However, 16 year olds for me are no more easily influenced than 18 year olds and know enough to be represented.
    However, I do see your argument and I do agree that life experience does have to be considered.
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    lmao you are one triggered feminist aren't you. I already told you why, there are too many idiots like you. Our age group is so easily swayed by social media its shocking, even if 16-17 year olds were allowed to vote it wouldn't have made any difference to the EU result. No one really gave a **** until we left, only 36% of 18-24 year olds voted. Accept it and move on, if we move it 16, there probably will be 15 year olds wanting to vote, next thing you know we have 10 year olds voting


    What has anything I've said so far got to do with feminism?
    Do you not believe in equal rights?
    Just to clarify, do you think all feminists are idiots too?
    And do you think feminists should be able to vote?
    Please check the opening line of this discussion "We believe 16 and 17 year olds deserve to be heard in elections"
    Unlike you, I'm thinking of other situations here. Yes, I might have been pro remain for the EU referendum but this isn't affecting that at all. Regardless of the referendum I believe you and I deserve a say.
    Even though I disagree with you, I still think you deserve a say?
    Why don't you think that you deserve a say too? It's time to start valuing yourself.
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    lmao you are one triggered feminist aren't you. I already told you why, there are too many idiots like you. Our age group is so easily swayed by social media its shocking, even if 16-17 year olds were allowed to vote it wouldn't have made any difference to the EU result. No one really gave a **** until we left, only 36% of 18-24 year olds voted. Accept it and move on, if we move it 16, there probably will be 15 year olds wanting to vote, next thing you know we have 10 year olds voting
    Oh and finally an argument: the slippery slope argument.
    True, perhaps it will lead to more people speaking up.
    But the law already recognises that 16 year olds are mature enough to get married, get a job, claim some kinds of benefits....so why are they not mature enough to vote?
    15 year olds don't have these rights.
    Thats the difference.
    Do you think that 16 year olds should not be allowed to have these rights?
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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    What has anything I've said so far got to do with feminism?
    Do you not believe in equal rights?
    Just to clarify, do you think all feminists are idiots too?
    And do you think feminists should be able to vote?
    Please check the opening line of this discussion "We believe 16 and 17 year olds deserve to be heard in elections"
    Unlike you, I'm thinking of other situations here. Yes, I might have been pro remain for the EU referendum but this isn't affecting that at all. Regardless of the referendum I believe you and I deserve a say.
    Even though I disagree with you, I still think you deserve a say?
    Why don't you think that you deserve a say too? It's time to start valuing yourself.
    You sound like one.
    There never will be gender equality.
    No.
    There needs to be a line drawn and 18 is it, deal with it. Like I've said 3 times before there are too many stupid people
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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    Oh and finally an argument: the slippery slope argument.
    True, perhaps it will lead to more people speaking up.
    But the law already recognises that 16 year olds are mature enough to get married, get a job, claim some kinds of benefits....so why are they not mature enough to vote?
    15 year olds don't have these rights.
    Thats the difference.
    Do you think that 16 year olds should not be allowed to have these rights?
    if you get married at 16 you are anything but mature lmao, those rights are completely different to politics
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    No, I do not want to campaign for 16 and 17 year olds to vote simply because of their ideologies (most older people who want 16 and 17 to vote do so because the left find it hard to win elections otherwise methinks) and would rather campaign to stop 18, 19, and 20 voting. The most common argument I hear for 16 and 17 voting very easily regresses to truly universal suffrage, and I don't think I want babies voting tyvm.
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    if you get married at 16 you are anything but mature lmao, those rights are completely different to politics
    No they're not completely different
    All these right people have combine to whether they can have other rights
    for example if you can't buy a house then you can't claim housing benefits
    And how can you judge people for getting married at 16? Sure I wouldn't do it...but that doesn't mean that anyone else who does it is dumb or an idiot



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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    You sound like one.
    There never will be gender equality.
    No.
    There needs to be a line drawn and 18 is it, deal with it. Like I've said 3 times before there are too many stupid people
    Right well let's all give up then.
    Cause according to mr Taylor over here there will never be gender equality, racial equality, age equality...so don't bother trying to even improve it.
    Okay for you since youre a guy.
    Maybe you don't have sister.
    Maybe you do but you just don't care about her. Who knows? And frankly who cares?
    In my opinion the idea of yoj having a vote when you're 18 is far more terrifying than the idea of any 16 year old I know voting!!
    Lucky for me (and the rest of Britains females) the majority of men don't agree with you.
    And the fact that you assume I'm a trigger feminist just because I'm a girl is actually disgusting.
    There are too many stupid people may be true (although I don't think it is)
    But that's not what you are arguing for! You're saying that there are more stupid people aged 16-18 than 18+
    18 is the line, I know! We're saying we should change it.
    You're response is "I'd rather be sexist and rude than actually going to the effort of changing what is wrong. Essentially you agree with changing it to 18 you just can't be bothered to do anything about it so just 'deal with it'


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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    Oh and finally an argument: the slippery slope argument.
    True, perhaps it will lead to more people speaking up.
    But the law already recognises that 16 year olds are mature enough to get married, get a job, claim some kinds of benefits....so why are they not mature enough to vote?
    15 year olds don't have these rights.
    Thats the difference.
    Do you think that 16 year olds should not be allowed to have these rights?
    I do love when people say "look at muh rights," 16 year olds don't actually get that many rights, the majority of rights truly gained still require consent until...18.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I do love when people say "look at muh rights," 16 year olds don't actually get that many rights, the majority of rights truly gained still require consent until...18.

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    I'm glad I'm making you happy..
    You know you're right
    But the simple fact that there is wrong elsewhere does not mean one cannot do some right
    For example just because there are university fees does not mean one should not campaign for bursaries



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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    Right well let's all give up then.
    Cause according to mr Taylor over here there will never be gender equality, racial equality, age equality...so don't bother trying to even improve it.
    Okay for you since youre a guy.
    Maybe you don't have sister.
    Maybe you do but you just don't care about her. Who knows? And frankly who cares?
    In my opinion the idea of yoj having a vote when you're 18 is far more terrifying than the idea of any 16 year old I know voting!!
    Lucky for me (and the rest of Britains females) the majority of men don't agree with you.
    And the fact that you assume I'm a trigger feminist just because I'm a girl is actually disgusting.
    There are too many stupid people may be true (although I don't think it is)
    But that's not what you are arguing for! You're saying that there are more stupid people aged 16-18 than 18+
    18 is the line, I know! We're saying we should change it.
    You're response is "I'd rather be sexist and rude than actually going to the effort of changing what is wrong. Essentially you agree with changing it to 18 you just can't be bothered to do anything about it so just 'deal with it'


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    Actually things are pretty equal right now, if anything its in favour of women. After all women's cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's. 77% of homicide victims are men. 80% of all suicides are men. Men loose custody in 84% of divorces. 60-80% of the homeless are men. Men make up 94% of work suicides. Just to name a few. Like I said, there will never be equality we do not live in utopia.

    Yes I have a sister but she's not a beta cuck like you.

    Most people dislike feminists, just saying. So yes you are wrong again.

    No I didn't say that, my argument is that there are too may stupid people voting, we don't need more of them..

    GG, you are getting boring now : )
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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    I'm glad I'm making you happy..
    You know you're right
    But the simple fact that there is wrong elsewhere does not mean one cannot do some right
    For example just because there are university fees does not mean one should not campaign for bursaries



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    So what is the relevant wrong elsewhere and what exactly is "right" about extending an already overextended franchise?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So what is the relevant wrong elsewhere and what exactly is "right" about extending an already overextended franchise?

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    I'm not saying it is wrong.
    What I'm saying however is that lets say that it is wrong that 16+ do not get more rights that doesn't mean that they shouldn't get a vote.
    Do you see what I mean?


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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    Actually things are pretty equal right now, if anything its in favour of women. After all women's cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's. 77% of homicide victims are men. 80% of all suicides are men. Men loose custody in 84% of divorces. 60-80% of the homeless are men. Men make up 94% of work suicides. Just to name a few. Like I said, there will never be equality we do not live in utopia.

    Yes I have a sister but she's not a beta cuck like you.

    Most people dislike feminists, just saying. So yes you are wrong again.

    No I didn't say that, my argument is that there are too may stupid people voting, we don't need more of them..

    GG, you are getting boring now : )
    So as you are struggling to find any evidence of inequality for sexes in the Uk, I took the liberty of providing some for you (you can thank me for prevention you from looking like an idiot the next time you made that statement):

    44% of women in the UK have experienced sexual or physical violence since they were 15 years old.

    30% of women who have been in a relationship experienced some form of sexual or physical abide from their partner.

    38% of all murders of women worldwide are committed by a women's intimate partner.

    80% of the 1.2 million children trafficked into slavery each year are girls

    In the U.K the gender pay back for full
    time work is 15% and for part time work
    it is 35%.

    Only 22% of seats in parliament are female.

    Just because the man loses custody in 84% of cases does not show there is sexism. Men are 3 times more likely to be addicted to alcohol and drugs than females. Perhaps this is why they are homeless more? Why they lose custody?

    However at least we agree on something here namely that the suicide problem with males is a problem. Though how it reflects on equality for women I'm not quite sure (though I'm sure you are)...

    Not quite sure what you mean by me being a beta cuck....maybe you want to look up what it means before using it.....and j hope that when your sister never reads this cause working by probability she's gonna be abused by a male and knows here brother doesn't think that there's sexism going on...

    Leaving that to one side: don't you think that by allowing more 'idiots' in you're also going to gain more clever people too?

    Also you say we already have "too many idiots" does that mean you actually are in Favor of dictatorships and not democracies. Do you think that the negatives of having "idiots" outweighs the positives of everyone having a vote

    You do for the youth....


    As to your fact about most people disliking feminists could you direct me to where you found that very vague statistic or is that just your sexist, egotistical view again?

    Again, I bet you're sister is happy that you don't think you and her are equal.
    Do you think she should be allowed to go to school? Get a job?
    Feminists: people who believe in equal rights for all




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    (Original post by issy.roberts)
    So as you are struggling to find any evidence of inequality for sexes in the Uk, I took the liberty of providing some for you (you can thank me for prevention you from looking like an idiot the next time you made that statement):

    44% of women in the UK have experienced sexual or physical violence since they were 15 years old.

    30% of women who have been in a relationship experienced some form of sexual or physical abide from their partner.

    38% of all murders of women worldwide are committed by a women's intimate partner.

    80% of the 1.2 million children trafficked into slavery each year are girls

    In the U.K the gender pay back for full
    time work is 15% and for part time work
    it is 35%.

    Only 22% of seats in parliament are female.

    Just because the man loses custody in 84% of cases does not show there is sexism. Men are 3 times more likely to be addicted to alcohol and drugs than females. Perhaps this is why they are homeless more? Why they lose custody?

    However at least we agree on something here namely that the suicide problem with males is a problem. Though how it reflects on equality for women I'm not quite sure (though I'm sure you are)...

    Not quite sure what you mean by me being a beta cuck....maybe you want to look up what it means before using it.....and j hope that when your sister never reads this cause working by probability she's gonna be abused by a male and knows here brother doesn't think that there's sexism going on...

    Leaving that to one side: don't you think that by allowing more 'idiots' in you're also going to gain more clever people too?

    Also you say we already have "too many idiots" does that mean you actually are in Favor of dictatorships and not democracies. Do you think that the negatives of having "idiots" outweighs the positives of everyone having a vote

    You do for the youth....


    As to your fact about most people disliking feminists could you direct me to where you found that very vague statistic or is that just your sexist, egotistical view again?

    Again, I bet you're sister is happy that you don't think you and her are equal.
    Do you think she should be allowed to go to school? Get a job?
    Feminists: people who believe in equal rights for all




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    In the U.K the gender pay back for full
    time work is 15% and for part time work
    it is 35%.

    Only 22% of seats in parliament are female

    Both of these points are very silly points to make. They do not consider women's choices / biological differences e.g. having children. It is hard to take anybody seriously who makes such comments.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Many people including myself would support raising the age of voting, thus ensuring that voters do have even more life experience.
    I would but it presents a massive problem.

    Taxed without representation as you have no say in who's elected.

    You could say the same about a 16 year old but it's highly unlikely they are paying much tax if any at all


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