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I seem to do better with women when I'm at my poorest.


*goes and lives in a box*
Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.

Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.

If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.

“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”

This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.

What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.

If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.

**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.

Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?

If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.

The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.

Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!

You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!

Money doesn’t do $H!T!

PS. Looks dont matter either.


:o:

This is genuinely one of the greatest posts I have ever seen on this forum.
Such assumptions and generalisations come from my own experience and the experience of others. I've read alot, experienced alot and taken alot in. This isn't all my findings.
Reply 23
I'm loaded, I'm also laid.

Therefore cash = gash.
munn
nah man they **** up my hair every time. I say "don't do that and don't do that but do this and do this" and they do that and do that but don't do this or do this and man it really grinds my gears how difficult is it to understand what i'm asking?


What about new cloths? a new car? etc...

Have you ever went on a night out, wearing a brand you shirt, that's the **** and cost you a bomb.... and you felt like the **** wearing it?
Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.

Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.

If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.

“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”

This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.

What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.

If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.

**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.

Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?

If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.

The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.

Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!

You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!

Money doesn’t do $H!T!

PS. Looks dont matter either.



This peoples is a God like post and I'm afraid I'm going to have to announce the end of the world because no human is allowed to know the truth about life like this tsr member does...
Reply 26
Different Cloud
What about new cloths? a new car? etc...

Have you ever went on a night out, wearing a brand you shirt, that's the **** and cost you a bomb.... and you felt like the **** wearing it?


I've never bought a new car, just driven other peoples. As for clothes, nah I don't get that kind of gratification from dressing up, I feel I look good whatever I wear.

I didn't read the rest of your big post, it was too long and the hair comment was enough for me to reply
Ooh - another opportunity to post:


Not that life is really like this...is it?
Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.

Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.

If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.

“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”

This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.

What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.

If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.

**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.

Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?

If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.

The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.

Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!

You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!

Money doesn’t do $H!T! <---------------------

PS. Looks dont matter either.


You whopper.
Reply 29
Women may say they don't care about money, but then they'll also say they do love fancy gifts, being taken to upmarket restaurants, going on exotic holidays, and being driven in a fast car. Go figure.
Reply 30
Jelkin
I find it baffling when men go, "oh boo hoo, I am not attractive and have no interesting talents but all the really hot girls don't love me. What bitches. That's totally unfair." Oh really? Are you queuing up to date the women you don't find attractive or interesting?


I don't find you attractive or interesting. Will you be nicer on the internet if I get in the queue to date you?
Reply 31
dsch
I don't find you attractive or interesting. Will you be nicer on the internet if I get in the queue to date you?


I suppose you think that hurt my feelings. Care to make a relevant counter-argument instead of attacking me pointlessly in a petty, witless and dull way?
Reply 32
Jelkin
I suppose you think that hurt my feelings. Care to make a relevant counter-argument instead of attacking me pointlessly in a petty, witless and dull way?


Were an individual entitled to be found attractive it would entail an obligation on others to be attracted to that individual, which sounds like quite an unpleasant society fraught with mandatory love triangles. I agree with you and think they should quit their whining, but saying that wouldn't be as much fun as mocking your outrage...
Reply 33
Different Cloud
Which parts don't you agree with?

The only reason you or anyone will disagree with what I said is because I'm messing up with your their entire system, your beliefs and your not willing to accept it.

It is normal to want to have friends, to want women in your life, and to be liked - these are healthy, natural drives. It isn’t a bad thing, we want a healthy economy, but you need to understand what is going on so you aren’t being lead around like a dog on a leash.

Society has evolved to maintain social order. It is designed to give you a set of achievable goals that you can meet:

* First go to school, then uni, then get a job, then set up a retirement fund, then retire when you are 60 - successful life.

Society gives you endless stimulation - a magic pill for everything, the answer for all your problems. The magic pill isn’t expected, it is demanded! In our society, the supply will always meet the demand. You can be the spoke in the wheel, and if you believe in the system everything will be fine. This is the way our society has evolved - no one is responsible for it.

When a situation arises and there is no solution to the problem, people are outraged. When they don’t get what they want, it is messing with their entire system. People don’t want to look at the multi-dimensions of the way the world works.

A douche walks around with a gap in his self esteem. When he finds a woman, he fills that gap. He feels what a centered guy calls “normal.” It is a taste of validation. The guy thinks he is in love with the other person because he now has that good feeling in his body - codependence. BUT that good feeling is something you should self-generate. You should always feel that in you.

Everyone has experienced this. Have you ever noticed how you feel “good” when you get a new haircut and wear your new shirt and shoes? Has it ever occurred to you that you should feel that way all the time?

In relation with relationship and love. When you love somebody, that personal connection you create can absolutely fuel that great feeling in your body, but when you lose that person from your life, that good feeling should not go away. Obviously, it is ok to feel loss, but beyond that we are going into unhealthy land.

A lot of guys use a woman as a form of situational confidence. When the woman is taken away from them, they feel lost.

When you meet a girl and she sees you as an abundance minded guy - the cool, non outcome dependent, non reaction seeking, completely unattached to any kind of result - you are attractive
.

When you feel those good emotions, you feel attached to the girl. Then, you start to chode yourself out because you become attached to the outcome…and then she leaves to go to the bathroom and you feel a pang of loss. Maybe you see her talking to some other guy - do you man up, grab her, and pull her back? NO! You feel your state dropping. This doesn’t mean don’t fall in love, the point is you need to be a man of standards. You can have a great connection with a girl and enjoy the emotions, but you cannot be losing state if attraction fizzles out.

Love is something you experience in yourself. It is something you experience walking down the street, talking to your friend, and looking at the sky. You don't get it from having money.

Social conditioning retarded and our society is phucked up.... Many you should re-watch the matrix and take the red pill this time round and unplug yourself.


previously referring to girls and attraction to wealth.

i agree with what u said except the bold parts

They often see a loser. For exactly the same reasons you stated for the guy feeling empty. If a outcome is not desired no effort will be made into achieving something. You would not go to work if you didn't need/want the money. I doubpt indifference is desired by women. Or perhaps I am misreading what you are saying and mean be ready to deal with failure?

Money does the same, having money is normal/desired by society and a measure of success, just like the girl.
Reply 34
dsch
Were an individual entitled to be found attractive it would entail an obligation on others to be attracted to that individual, which sounds like quite an unpleasant society fraught with mandatory love triangles. I agree with you and think they should quit their whining, but saying that wouldn't be as much fun as mocking your outrage...


Haha, it wasn't outrage! It was bemusement. It's not like it affects me :p:
Reply 35
Jelkin
I find it baffling when men go, "oh boo hoo, I am not attractive and have no interesting talents but all the really hot girls don't love me. What bitches. That's totally unfair." Oh really? Are you queuing up to date the women you don't find attractive or interesting?


I like this post.

You talk so much sense and your posts are very good. :h:

And now I sound like a stalker. :indiff:

I'll, er...I'll go now.
Reply 36
Jelkin
Haha, it wasn't outrage! It was bemusement. It's not like it affects me :p:


Cool - I'm pleased that it's not something that causes you much consternation.
Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.

Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.

If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.

“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”

This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.

What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.

If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.

**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.

Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?

If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.

The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.

Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!

You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!

Money doesn’t do $H!T!

PS. Looks dont matter either.


I'm guessing you're poor and ugly given the length and forcefulness of that diatribe.

It's not social conditioning for women to want rich and powerful men - the genetic imperative is to bring up healthy and well provided-for children, and this is made easiest when you have safety and financial stability. I'm afraid your idea that you can have no objective qualities and yet be successful with women on account of your "great skills" is just fantasy.
I find it lolworthy that you're discussing this on TSR of all places - most girls here are 16/17/18 and are only teenagers who haven't properly grown up yet and don't really care about money.
Jelkin
I find it baffling when men go, "oh boo hoo, I am not attractive and have no interesting talents but all the really hot girls don't love me. What bitches. That's totally unfair." Oh really? Are you queuing up to date the women you don't find attractive or interesting?


This is exactly it. People who think like this don't actually try to understand that the way they are going to be judged is the same way they judge others - on the qualities they have, not some ephemeral idea of them being a good person deep down. Be it looks, wealth, talent, humour, whatever, we can't judge people on anything other than the outward characteristics they have.

I'm with the existentialists on this one: there is no true measure of a man except the things he does. You can't be this great guy if you just sit around thinking about doing great things.

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