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Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.
Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.
If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.
“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”
This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.
What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.
If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.
Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?
If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.
The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.
Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!
You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!
Money doesn’t do $H!T!
PS. Looks dont matter either.
Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.
If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.
“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”
This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.
What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.
If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.
Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?
If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.
The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.
Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!
You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!
Money doesn’t do $H!T!
PS. Looks dont matter either.
Truism.
Philosophy is also never that simple, but good try.
Also as far as doctors and laywers go, they need a whole host of desirable traits as part of their career, plus doctors usually become doctors to help people and because thats their passion.A better example would be someone who wraps themselves up in buisness, i mean the sole purpose of that is money and power. (not always, just a sterotype used as an example)
Chumbaniya
I'm guessing you're poor and ugly given the length and forcefulness of that diatribe.
I'm not a geek... I'm a level 9 warlord... hahahahha!
That's right chump, I put all my effort into that post to look cool and clever. All I do is read physiology and social dynamic books, watch porn and play computer games. I've actually not even left the house in weeks, I live in the basement as well, whats the weather actually like outside this May?
Chumbaniya
It's not social conditioning for women to want rich and powerful men - the genetic imperative is to bring up healthy and well provided-for children, and this is made easiest when you have safety and financial stability.
I never said that... And the genetic imperative is to bring up healthy and well provided-for children is correct yes, that's human instinct and it comes from evolution. A woman's sexual attraction can be triggered unconsciously if they sense the man to be a good provider and to deliver good healthy children.
http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/deepest-desires-human-instinct-episode-02/12gfduaz7
What I said was society has provided men with a common belief that men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out if life. I.E. Having money and looks and you'll get the girl no bother.
Chumbaniya
I'm afraid your idea that you can have no objective qualities and yet be successful with women on account of your "great skills" is just fantasy.
Value = Attraction
Anyways lets say you do have objective qualities, money and looks. If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
Lets keep this simple. Have you ever wondered how nice guys get nothing and those big bad boy guys get everything? - Women are emotional creatures and bad boys simple trigger more emotions than nice guys. Nice guys are predictable, don't require a challenge and treat their little sweethearts like princesses all the time 'That happy emotion keeps boring after a while and sooner than later, she'll move on to someone else.
The big problem that guys have with this whole looks/money/success concept is that they aren’t even asking a proper question. Do looks matter? For WHAT?... Do looks matter for kissing a girl? For taking a ****? For making it rain? - Ask a proper question and things change a bit. The question that I think most guys want to know is: Do looks and/or money matter for building female ATTRACTION? And on the most fundamental level the answer is NO!!!! But looks/money convey certain qualities about a guy that are attractive to a girl. And that, from a superficial level confuses guys. How do looks and money come into play when building female attraction? VALUE!!!
Therefore the more high value you are, the more attractive you will be. Also women value things differently than men. Men value how a girl looks, girls value a man who takes action, a leader, confidence, alpha, dominance etc etc.
So how do looks and money convey that you are a man of action? As much as a girl appreciates security, and a man who can provide for her, that is not the primary reason she may respond more positively to a guy that has money. It is the fact that he is successful, that is why she is attracted to him. This presupposes that he is a man of action, in whatever arena of his life. If he takes action in his career, he will probably be just as successful at being a husband, a father, a friend, whatever is necessary. This applies to the looks debate as well. It is not so much that she sees you wearing a nice shirt and is like, “Oooh, he looks hot.” She sees that you can afford nice clothes, meaning you aren’t just sitting on your ass and cleaning up garbage for a living. With that, another reason why looks can affect the female’s perspective of you is if you are overweight.
If she only has your physical appearance to determine if you are a high value leader of men/man of action, who would look more like that guy? A fat guy, or a ripped dude with the six pack abs? Well it’s pretty obvious that in this very superficial attribute, the ripped dude is taking action in the gym, and the fat dude is not. And hey, if that is all the girl initially has to work off of, of course it is going to be easier for the ripped dude to build that attraction with her. This is only an example, I'm not saying you need to be ripped. That just isn’t the case.
You can EASILY overpower these hindrances, a guy that eats cheetos all day and watches t.v. can go out and pickup the hottest girl in the club. But does it really make sense to be the guy that is lazy all day and then get out to the club and be all “Yeah dude, I’m a high value man of action! If a girl enters my life, she is WINNING!”? If you are delusional, or just hit up the clubs enough you can overpower those internal self doubts, but don’t think they go away.
It really just doesn’t make sense. The whole reason why women are drawn to confidence is because in the caveman days it was a sign that you had something going on for you, there was something tangible to back it up.
Now we have realized, through all this nerd work and by going out for countless hours that you don’t need to be a businessman with all the money in the world, or the good looking dude, but why stack the cards against yourself? - Build a well rounded life, work hard, play hard, hit the gym hard… They all go hand in hand towards being congruent with the whole confidence/self-esteem gig.
So how many extremely attractive girls do you approach and lay Dr Good Looking with Money?
Dont' cry or take it too heart dude, I'm only trying to help you guys out. Next time your out, actually just take a step back and watch the enviroment, you'll learn alot from social dynamics.
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Did you learn everything you know about women from one of those awful pick-up guides?
I'm not sure how this dedication to creating a facade gels well with your idea that you need to 'provide for the emotional needs of a woman'. This directly contradicts what you were saying earlier about what happens if a man with money loses it - a woman is far more likely to leave a guy because he's got nothing going for him and any bit of initial attraction was based on a facade than if he loses his money.
Also you seem to have a preoccupation with picking up girls in clubs. Pulling in clubs isn't about attraction, it's about finding someone drunk. If any of the absurdly large amount of material you're vomiting into this thread was actually relevant to meeting women in your everyday life, it might have more credence.
I'm not sure how this dedication to creating a facade gels well with your idea that you need to 'provide for the emotional needs of a woman'. This directly contradicts what you were saying earlier about what happens if a man with money loses it - a woman is far more likely to leave a guy because he's got nothing going for him and any bit of initial attraction was based on a facade than if he loses his money.
Also you seem to have a preoccupation with picking up girls in clubs. Pulling in clubs isn't about attraction, it's about finding someone drunk. If any of the absurdly large amount of material you're vomiting into this thread was actually relevant to meeting women in your everyday life, it might have more credence.
Not really, plus the pickup community is flawed.
It's business and business as usual with all of them and it's just like politics... there all crooks.
That's a fair point but most individuals tend to only approach women when their out in the town. Most guys don't go about meeting women in everyday life thats the only reason for the club examples.
It's business and business as usual with all of them and it's just like politics... there all crooks.
That's a fair point but most individuals tend to only approach women when their out in the town. Most guys don't go about meeting women in everyday life thats the only reason for the club examples.
chap54
To OP, I wouldn't be so worried about attracting women. Girls are no different than boys, infact I find most women inferior (que feminists). Not for the reasons most will suspect 
but because just like boys they can be shallow, self interested, boring, space wasters. Like different cloud said, its important to find out what you value in others rather than relying on society to decide what holds value.
but because just like boys they can be shallow, self interested, boring, space wasters. Like different cloud said, its important to find out what you value in others rather than relying on society to decide what holds value.if women were shallow, self interested, boring time wasters 'like boys' why would they be inferior??
Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.
Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.
If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.
“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”
This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.
What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.
If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.
Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?
If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.
The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.
Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!
You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!
Money doesn’t do $H!T!
PS. Looks dont matter either.
Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.
If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.
“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”
This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.
What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.
If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.
Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?
If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.
The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.
Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!
You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!
Money doesn’t do $H!T!
PS. Looks dont matter either.
This is a very simplistic view that doesn't account for different cultures.
supergirl182
if women were shallow, self interested, boring time wasters 'like boys' why would they be inferior??
You miss the point. I'm not saying everyone is, both have the good and the bad. I just find that most are the bad, therefore inferior. The same most likely applies to my own sex.
Different Cloud
Your not going to believe me here but what I'm going to tell you is the ultimate truth and it will probably enhance any guys life.
Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.
If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.
“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”
This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.
What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.
If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.
Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?
If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.
The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.
Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!
You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!
Money doesn’t do $H!T!
PS. Looks dont matter either.
Men think to increase their value, they need to get the job, get the money, and everything works out. = social conditioning and a false value system.
If you go to work and make money, your problems with women will get solved.
“I’m busy studying right now to become a doctor, and don’t have time to meet women, but I will when I have money.”
This is one of the most common limiting beliefs of men in our society. It seems so obvious…right? You have a rich friend or see some rich guy on television that gets all the women! Of course, he has money…WRONG! Guys with money may appear to have success, but the money is not the contributor to their success. Sure, some women will love men with money (Read: gold diggers), but having money does not make you attractive to women.
What happens when the doctor who never learned to become a more attractive man is gone for the weekend at a conference? ... You got it in one, his little sweetheart, goes the clubs with her friends and hooks up with some guy who knows how to attract her. Guys hook up with girls behind buildings and in the bathroom all the time. These girls will marry doctors and lawyer losers who thought making money is the solution to their problems. Do you think her behavior is going to change? No, people’s behavior is consistent.
If you haven’t figured out how to meet a woman’s emotional needs, how are you going to keep a relationship.
**Before every pre-med or pre-law student starts freaking out, realize that I am using these as examples. Not every doctor and lawyer is a loser haha.
Lets say you do have the money and the looks. You might get the girl, but then you will lose her because you don’t know how keep her. All of your confidence is based on external pillars. What happens when your company fails? What happens when you suffer an injury in the gym and lose all of your muscle mass?
If you believe in the superficial value system (I let society dictate to me what is valuable), when you approach an extremely attractive girl, you will feel like you are walking up with an empty cup.
The social conditioning game is rigged against you - it doesn’t matter what you do. You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your khakis.
Here is a scenario…you have great skills with women…wouldn’t money be a nice bonus? -- HELL NO!
You make money for YOURSELF - living in financial abundance is for you. You make money for YOUR FAMILY - being able to take care of your family. Honestly, if you don’t have any money, the one thing you can do is meet women! It is a constant in your life!
Money doesn’t do $H!T!
PS. Looks dont matter either.
I love you. RSD?
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