Ireland. british or irish?

Irish Republicans and Irish Nationalists are the same only in regards to the issuse unification. Gerry Adams is a Republican, he leds a Republican party. Ritchie is a Nationalist, she leds a Nationalist party.

Exactly, just like everyone else in the world, your opinion is of no more or less significance than anyone elses. Just because you believe in something doesn't make everyone who believe in different wrong.

Your too narrow minded if you think you can argue such views as to whos politically correct and whos not.

Sinn Fein is an Irish nationalist political party. There's no real point arguing this, it is objective fact. The IRA were an Irish nationalist paramilitary group. Both were also Republicans.



Yes, it does, insofar as I'm concerned.

That there exists people who, for example, think the earth is flat, that it's OK to stone homosexuals to death and that black people aren't human beings is immaterial to me. They are wrong, I am right.



I'm arguing between right and wrong, and if you're unable to see the difference between those two concepts then you're frankly not a creature of any sort of moral choice. Nationalism is wrong.

That there exists people who, for example, think the earth is flat, that it's OK to stone homosexuals to death and that black people aren't human beings is immaterial to me. They are wrong, I am right.

I think there should either be a complete alliance of the British isles or none at all. It's unfair that Ireland have their independence from the crown but Scotland and Wales don't.

It's not unfair, Ireland is its own country, its own piece of land. Why should the British have anything to with it? Its OURS

are you fuxking serious?!!!! how the hell could ireland be british!!? thats like saying france is british!!!

It's not unfair, Ireland is its own country, its own piece of land. Why should the British have anything to with it? Its OURS

Plenty of people, mainly in Northern Ireland, see themselves as simultaneously British and Irish. There's no contradiction in that. As for the Irish Republic, plenty of states have irredentist relations with other states: Argentina claims the Falkland Islands for example, China considers Taiwan to be Chinese, and even the Irish constitution suggests that all of Ireland is one nation.

There is nothing particularly unusual about considering Ireland part of a British family of nations despite it being a separate state. Nor, indeed, would there be anything particularly odd about Ireland accepting that to some degree yet remaining independent: Commonwealth countries have remained included in some idea of Britishness even after independence.

This has been replaced somewhat by a Commonwealth identity, and I'd be very happy to see the Irish state become part of this community. There is real support for it in Ireland, and in the words of Shridath Ramphal, former Secretary General, "nothing but welcome awaits her in the Commonwealth when she feels ready to come home". Hell, you could perhaps even persuade the British Government to demolish that statue of the old tyrant Oliver Cromwell which sits outside our Parliament.

So how does that make it different to Scotland or Wales? You could say the exact same thing about them.

Yes but that doesn't make it unfair that one gained its independence and the others didn't. It's not as if it was willingly granted with no effort to obtain it. I would be dubious of lumping the three countries together as if they have all had the same relationship with England historically though.

Quick question: If Ireland is in the British Isles, does that make Irish British in that sense?

It's not unfair, Ireland is its own country, its own piece of land. Why should the British have anything to with it? Its OURS

Errm, my point was that Wales and Scotland should be independent as well

i think their point was (in a more rational way), why should ireland wales and scotland either all be independant or or part of the uk. Ireland is its own country and fought for centuries to be independent. What wales and scotland want is their business, and theirs alone! What Ireland do is irrelevant to them. It's not like Ireland won a coin toss and got to choose if it wanted to be independent or not...fairness has nothing to to do with this...

I also got the impression they don't want total independence. I could be wrong their though...