We just abolished the monarchy, ask us anything!

We have a HOC Hansard which lists all Bills presented and whether they pass or not. Bear in mind that most of the older stuff was repealed, with those which are still valid being from the more recent Parliaments :smile:

Since you aren't reminded of policy changes on a day-to-day basis (through general life) - does it make it difficult to remember what has or hasn't been decided previously?

So if someone proposes a bill, do you go into the hansard and try to find any other relevant bills that have previously been discussed?

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RayApparently

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Original post by chrisawhitmore

Does the government feel that it's policy of simply stealing whatever it wants from lawful owners would play well in the financial markets of the world? Does the left have any grounding in reality, or is the consequence free zone of TSR the only place where socialism can function?

I could go on a rant about how property is theft but I don't actually believe it is so I won't.

Also, abolishing the monarchy isn't an exclusively socialist idea.

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That Bearded Man

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Original post by chrisawhitmore

Does the government feel that it's policy of simply stealing whatever it wants from lawful owners would play well in the financial markets of the world? Does the left have any grounding in reality, or is the consequence free zone of TSR the only place where socialism can function?

And I suppose the King planted that land did he? Hence he owned it.

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Saracen's Fez

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Original post by Architecture-er

Since you aren't reminded of policy changes on a day-to-day basis (through general life) - does it make it difficult to remember what has or hasn't been decided previously?

Yes!

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navarre

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Why did you go against the overwhelming democratic will of the people of this country and abolish the monarchy on a whim?

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Green_Pink

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Original post by Architecture-er

Since you aren't reminded of policy changes on a day-to-day basis (through general life) - does it make it difficult to remember what has or hasn't been decided previously?

So if someone proposes a bill, do you go into the hansard and try to find any other relevant bills that have previously been discussed?

For newer members such as myself, that's pretty much what happens. But from the discussions we've had I think a lot of the more experienced MPs remember at least the major Bills and point out when they might have an effect - for example, the welfare system is radically different having moved to a non means-tested "Citizen's Income" scheme as proposed recently by the Green Party in real life. There's been a recent proposal where Bills would expire after a certain amount of time, allowing debate to be re-opened to newer members which has been gaining some traction :smile:

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122025278

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Do tourists still come to London?

What about the hoards of feckless people saved from a Jeremy Kyle appearance by the now presumably defunct, Prince's Trust?

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Architecture-er

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Original post by RayApparently

Policies are recorded in Hansard.

The 2nd Q doesn't make sense though. The RL HoC constantly debates laws that haven't been implemented yet. That's the point.

Hmm actually it does, because over time, as you pass more and more 'model' bills you logically move further and further away from reality into a world shaped by the decisions you've all previously made. So if you can't see the outcomes of these decisions you either have to imagine/predict what happened, or simply treat each bill as an isolated incident based on RL circumstances at present

For example you just abolished the monarchy, so what happens when you propose a new bill regarding GDP growth, did this bill have a positive or negative impact on this country's tourism industry / what happened to the commonwealth countries :holmes:

edit: some other people have already answered how they try to deal with it, I just always wondered if you guys had a hidden system or whether it was an accepted downside :wink:

(edited 9 years ago)

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Ruitker

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Original post by navarre

Why did you go against the overwhelming democratic will of the people of this country and abolish the monarchy on a whim?

They are idealist. They had a majority in the house so decided to enforce their views (they're still democratic though :confused:

) The vote ended with a difference of 2 so it was close.

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spanker

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I have a question...

Why am I in this forums if I do not care about politics but instead click on it because it was an Ask Me Anything thread which should be (correct me if I am wrong) in the dedicated AMA thread?

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Green_Pink

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Original post by navarre

Why did you go against the overwhelming democratic will of the people of this country and abolish the monarchy on a whim?

This was a massive point in the debate that swayed even some republicans such as myself. The argument was that since terms here last only 6 months compared to 5 years in real life, the referendum was in effect 20 years old, and thus not so relevant to current opinion. This was backed up by the fact that many of the voters at the time are no longer active on TSR, and as such the Government decided to treat it the same as any other Bill.

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Saracen's Fez

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Original post by 122025278

Do tourists still come to London?

What about the hoards of feckless people saved from a Jeremy Kyle appearance by the now presumably defunct, Prince's Trust?

I'm presuming tourists will come, they come to see the Tower and it's a long time since any monarch lived there!

There's no reason why the Prince's Trust wouldn't exist, there's no reason why Charles Windsor can't continue working with his trust.

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Architecture-er

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Original post by O133

Yes!

Then we appreciate your diligence! :lol:

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RayApparently

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Original post by Architecture-er

Hmm actually it does, because over time, as you pass more and more 'model' bills you logically move further and further away from reality into a world shaped by the decisions you've all previously made. So if you can't see the outcomes of these decisions you either have to imagine/predict what happened, or simply treat each bill as an isolated incident based on RL circumstances at present

For example you just abolished the monarchy, so what happens when you propose a new bill regarding GDP growth, did this bill have a positive or negative impact on this country's tourism industry / what happened to the commonwealth countries :holmes:

edit: some other people have already answered how they try to deal with it, I just always wondered if you guys had a hidden system or whether it was an accepted downside :

Ah, now I see what you mean.
Yes, now in particular we've reached a point where the Model Economy is vastly different to the RL one. We handled the deficit differently and we haven't been imposing the same cuts as the RL government. We do indeed need to extrapolate, estimate and argue. However not all (in fact quite few) bills proposed require the application of the projected model.

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That Bearded Man

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Original post by spanker

I have a question...

Why am I in this forums if I do not care about politics but instead click on it because it was an Ask Me Anything thread which should be (correct me if I am wrong) in the dedicated AMA thread?

I didn't know there was one!

That said, this is more appropriate here I think.

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That Bearded Man

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Original post by navarre

Why did you go against the overwhelming democratic will of the people of this country and abolish the monarchy on a whim?

This has been a contentious issue, it was outdated (as said, 20 years old and most of our members at the time had moved on)

Also, it's such a wide issue, I felt condensing it down into a small argument to release to the public never really gives either side a fair chance to make their points and have an impact on votes.

Keyly, it freshens the place up a bit, sparked a big debate and now we get to elect a President.

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122025278

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Original post by O133

I'm presuming tourists will come, they come to see the Tower and it's a long time since any monarch lived there!

There's no reason why the Prince's Trust wouldn't exist, there's no reason why Charles Windsor can't continue working with his trust.

So we're safe from a Jeremy Kyle double bill for a while.

I also think it's a bit ironic that his charity has the word trust in it.

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Rakas21

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Original post by Architecture-er

Since you aren't reminded of policy changes on a day-to-day basis (through general life) - does it make it difficult to remember what has or hasn't been decided previously?

So if someone proposes a bill, do you go into the hansard and try to find any other relevant bills that have previously been discussed?

This is a source of great division. Purists like myself say that there's no reason for a repeal because there is HANSARD and more experienced members, in addition I would argue that eventually we can just individually repeal what we don't like. Others however argue that new members find it hard to get into the game so there should be a great repeal.

Original post by RayApparently

Ah, now I see what you mean.
Yes, now in particular we've reached a point where the Model Economy is vastly different to the RL one. We handled the deficit differently and we haven't been imposing the same cuts as the RL government. We do indeed need to extrapolate, estimate and argue. However not all (in fact quite few) bills proposed require the application of the projected model.

Well technically due to the Canon Amendment we have had most of Osbourne's cuts. We've just done different stuff in addition to that which explains our better fiscal position.

Original post by Architecture-er

Hmm actually it does, because over time, as you pass more and more 'model' bills you logically move further and further away from reality into a world shaped by the decisions you've all previously made. So if you can't see the outcomes of these decisions you either have to imagine/predict what happened, or simply treat each bill as an isolated incident based on RL circumstances at present

For example you just abolished the monarchy, so what happens when you propose a new bill regarding GDP growth, did this bill have a positive or negative impact on this country's tourism industry / what happened to the commonwealth countries :holmes:

edit: some other people have already answered how they try to deal with it, I just always wondered if you guys had a hidden system or whether it was an accepted downside :wink:

Generally we take into account direct costs (abolish x, save y) but we can't really take into account any dynamic indirect effects such as the Laffer Curve.

This again provides a big bone of contention. For example when the left brought water into public ownership they effectively seized the shares immediately without compensation. Many of us argued that this wad tantamount to stealing from Canadian Pensioners and sovereign wealth funds which would be disastrous for both diplomatic and foreign investment reasons.