MPs set for a 10% payrise

OK then. There are already loads of filters in how our society works that suppress certain ideas getting anywhere.

Your "solution" of making MPs work for free means poor people are even less likely to become an MP. How is that a good thing? Sure you will get some rich privileged person like Tonny Benn but most of them are going to have their own rich privileged bias. Your idea just makes it even harder for progressive ideas to get talked about or having a more progressive representative Parliament even harder. It basically ensures that most MPs will be of the landed and severely wealthy classes that can live off of rentierism. Why do you think they will implement laws that harms the rentier classes?

IN an ideal world we wouldn't even have/need politicians. But we don't live in that ideal world.

Yes in an ideal world we wouldn't need them. But if you give them loads of money it doesn't encourage the best to become politicians but instead to makes people apply for the money and/or power, what we need is for people to run because they care. How else could you do that?

Well we could vote for them. I'd vote for the likes of Caroline Lucas until the cows come home.

There are a lot of problems with how our system works. But we need people from less privileged backgrounds in parliament. You don't do that by making it financially impossible for them to do so. Whether you like ti or not human beings chase money to some degree, some more than others. Someone like David Cameron would be fine with as much lower pay from Parliament since he has other income an assets. He can afford to be paid less. The salary for being an MP means more for people who don;t have the same kind of background. That doesn't mean I support this 10% pay rise.

but then we get people voting for parties (one reason I support the end of party politics and only letting indies run...)

Ok, that makes sense.

The way the wip things works is insane if you ask me. If I was ever an MP I wouldn't be goign along with any of that crap.

But paying them more means you get people doing it to get money not because they actually care.

Not really, if you're cleaver and dedicated enough to be an MP than you can probably already command twice what you'd get as an MP.


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Well we could vote for them. I'd vote for the likes of Caroline Lucas until the cows come home.

There are a lot of problems with how our system works. But we need people from less privileged backgrounds in parliament. You don't do that by making it financially impossible for them to do so. Whether you like ti or not human beings chase money to some degree, some more than others. Someone like David Cameron would be fine with as much lower pay from Parliament since he has other income an assets. He can afford to be paid less. The salary for being an MP means more for people who don;t have the same kind of background. That doesn't mean I support this 10% pay rise.

Agreed, same logic applies to unpaid internships.
The only people who can do them are those who can afford to work for free due to a wealth background.

But to interfere would be anti aspiration

How silly of me.
Nothing screams aspiration like a further £12 billion cuts to the poorest in society.
It's becoming a dirty word and I utterly hate how it's now the buzzword in the Labour leadership election.

Aye, you can't represent your constituents and your party at the same time.

That's exactly what I was saying, people who care more about helping people then making money are the people we want...

They get bonuses just to keep their months shut and to become a slave to this corrupt system that we all think is 'democracy'.

Does killing a million people in iraq just for oil sound alright to you?
Does the UK supplying weapons to counties who are on their own human right abuses list sound alright to you?
Does homelessness doubling by 55% sound alright to you?
Does the big companies who avoid paying billions and billions of tax sound alright to you?
Does treating the disabled and poor people like scum sound alright to you?
Does destroying people homes then moving them far far away and then building new ones that ordinary people con't afford sound alright to you?
Does the top 1% owning nearly more then all of the earth wealth sound alright to you?

AND MUCH MUCH MORE.

If all of this sounds alright then you got a serious problem.

What to do you think? Apparently David Cameron is opposed to this... Hmm

What a brilliant advert for anti-establishment insanity!

Yeah but the difference is, those people struggling to make ends meet aren't running the ****ing country. In terms of the responsibility they have and the amount of time they spend at work, they're extremely badly paid. I earn more than an MP ffs and I work in IT security.

Does homelessness doubling by 55% sound alright to you?