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Treating uni like a 9-5/10-6

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Original post by gman10
Get to library by 6.30-7am and work until 8pm (50 mins work and 10 mins break every hour)! Then relax for a couple of hours in the evening before bed


Crikey I thought I spent a lot of time studying/doing coursework but this is ridiculous. This isn't something to brag about. Working for almost 11 hours per day (13 hours - 130 mins for your 10 min breaks) is completely unnecessary. It implies inefficiency in your work and an inability to actually get the job done rather than taking as much time as you want over it. I treat uni as a full time job (approx. 35-40 hours per week INCLUDING contact hours) and use that time to do all of my reading, rewriting notes, coursework, tutorial/seminar work and revising. I find that this is plenty of time to do all of the above plus EXTRA reading and ensuring that I am going beyond what is discussed in class. 11 hours a day for a week is just excessive.
Original post by RoundTrip
Seems a bit wasteful to set an arbitrary amount of time towards studying. Surely it's better to allocate time depending on your current workload and understanding of the material.


But that requires a lot more trust in yourself and motivation. It's easier to say that you're going to work 9-5 than it is to say that you'll do more work when you think you need it.
Original post by gman10
Get to library by 6.30-7am and work until 8pm (50 mins work and 10 mins break every hour)! Then relax for a couple of hours in the evening before bed


I did this in the six week run up before exams, mainly because I did the bare minimal across the rest of the year. It became more about volume, rather than the quality of revision, which isn't good.

To keep that up all year, you must be a machine! I'd be gutted not to get a first, if I put in that much effort all year. (I do law too)
Original post by GoingToBurst
Crikey I thought I spent a lot of time studying/doing coursework but this is ridiculous. This isn't something to brag about. Working for almost 11 hours per day (13 hours - 130 mins for your 10 min breaks) is completely unnecessary. It implies inefficiency in your work and an inability to actually get the job done rather than taking as much time as you want over it. I treat uni as a full time job (approx. 35-40 hours per week INCLUDING contact hours) and use that time to do all of my reading, rewriting notes, coursework, tutorial/seminar work and revising. I find that this is plenty of time to do all of the above plus EXTRA reading and ensuring that I am going beyond what is discussed in class. 11 hours a day for a week is just excessive.


This.

Working smart with a realistic timetable and routine ought to decrease the risk of a student burning out.

By all means, putting in extra hours closer to deadlines is the norm, but encouraging students to sacrifice every waking hour for 3+ years on a degree just seems daft. It seems like a quick way to grow to resent your subject in the long term.
Original post by lledrith
This.

Working smart with a realistic timetable and routine ought to decrease the risk of a student burning out.

By all means, putting in extra hours closer to deadlines is the norm, but encouraging students to sacrifice every waking hour for 3+ years on a degree just seems daft. It seems like a quick way to grow to resent your subject in the long term.


This is also true! A girl on my course "studies" every single day. She doesn't take a single day off. She absolutely hates the course now and she still gets 2.2s because she's just putting in time she isn't putting in effort. Staring at your work for 11 hours is nowhere near as valuable as actually studying it for 3 hours. I wish more people would realise this!
I did something similar. I work best in the morning so would get up early to do work during study leave. Have a 10 minute break every hour/two hours and would stop by about 6pm. I have to fit work around volunteering and hockey.

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Original post by liarpoker
I did this in the six week run up before exams, mainly because I did the bare minimal across the rest of the year. It became more about volume, rather than the quality of revision, which isn't good.

To keep that up all year, you must be a machine! I'd be gutted not to get a first, if I put in that much effort all year. (I do law too)


It has taken me a long time to accept that it's Quality of revision that matters not the hours you put in.I was in denial for years.
I've been trying this summer to really understand what *quality* revision is.
I've struggled with this since Alevel.
Being somebody who likes learning ,being able to get some quality revision done is a must


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Original post by GoingToBurst
This is also true! A girl on my course "studies" every single day. She doesn't take a single day off. She absolutely hates the course now and she still gets 2.2s because she's just putting in time she isn't putting in effort. Staring at your work for 11 hours is nowhere near as valuable as actually studying it for 3 hours. I wish more people would realise this!


Wow! Did she like the course at the beginning?
Poor girl :frown: must be disheartening sacrificing all that time for minimal in return


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Original post by NellyMelly
Wow! Did she like the course at the beginning?
Poor girl :frown: must be disheartening sacrificing all that time for minimal in return


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Yeah she loved it. That's the thing though, she is wasting the time and as such, getting poor results. If she was spending that time wisely I have no doubt she would be getting top grades, but she has no idea how to study the material and just can't take it in. It sucks for her, but she asks for study tips and then doesn't use them, so it's kind of her own fault now.
Original post by NellyMelly
This is the reason why I asked.I'm a massive procrastinator & only work under pressure I.e when exam day is looming.However I really want a first class degree so I'm thinking of trying something new .Also I would nap in my free hours during the day & sacrifice my evenings for study,which drained me because I couldn't see where my days were going.I'm one of those people that needs a structure to follow.
Also I'm planning to volunteer & join a sports society so planning my time well will do me good.


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You sound exactly like me, it isn't helped by having only 8 contact hours a week. Definitely going to do the 9-5 thing as I need a 1st to even be competitive for a UCL masters
I treat my degree like a full-time job. Though I work better at night so it's a full-time night shift job..
Starting Access course in a couple of weeks, 3 days a week in college. My plan is to do as much studying as possible on the days I'm not at college as well as any free periods I have during the 3 days. I'd like to keep evenings free if possible.

When I'm at uni in 2017, regardless of lecture/seminar times, I'll get the bus that will have me at uni in time to be studying at 9, bus home will depend on lecture/seminar times.
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Original post by NellyMelly
So I'm going to my 2nd year of uni .
In first year I averaged 68% with panic revision & all nighters .You know the cramming you do 1-2 weeks before the exam & you're hoping the topics you skip don't come up.

However this year I know I have to work hard from day 1 .I am motivated because I have a clearer vision of my future & a 1st class degree would be nice :wink:

Lately I've been thinking of treating uni like a 9-5 Job.
During breaks in the day rather than going back to my flat & napping I should go to the library .On days I finish in the afternoon,study until 5pm.When I have a day off (which is about 4 times a term) study from 9-5 with breaks of course!.
Basically try & establish a routine where I only go back my flat *at the end of the day* to shower ,eat and watch TV.

Has anyone done this before where they treat uni like a 9-5 job mon-fri?
How did it go?



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Yes, I think its quite common.

Amazingly enough, if you attend every lecture, do your readings, do your coursework when its set rather than 3 hours before its due in, and give yourself loads of time for revision, you end up doing far better in your course.

It also takes up no more of your time and doesn't cut into your social life at all.
Original post by GoingToBurst
Crikey I thought I spent a lot of time studying/doing coursework but this is ridiculous. This isn't something to brag about. Working for almost 11 hours per day (13 hours - 130 mins for your 10 min breaks) is completely unnecessary. It implies inefficiency in your work and an inability to actually get the job done rather than taking as much time as you want over it. I treat uni as a full time job (approx. 35-40 hours per week INCLUDING contact hours) and use that time to do all of my reading, rewriting notes, coursework, tutorial/seminar work and revising. I find that this is plenty of time to do all of the above plus EXTRA reading and ensuring that I am going beyond what is discussed in class. 11 hours a day for a week is just excessive.


Reading Law at a top university entails a lot of hours at the library reading if you want to get a top grade. It might be easier to get a first at your university than the other poster's, and I think their effort should be commended (especially if they enjoy the subject and reading ancient judgments in equity law).

What year are you in, @gman10?
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Original post by callum_law
Reading Law at a top university entails a lot of hours at the library reading if you want to get a top grade. It might be easier to get a first at your university than the other poster's, and I think their effort should be commended (especially if they enjoy the subject and reading ancient judgments in equity law).

What year are you in, @gman10?


Getting a first in my degree takes a lot of reading and analysis too, but again, you should be reading SMART, not necessarily for longer. No one should be commended for regularly spending 11 hours/day doing uni work. Someone with a first class degree and no transferable skills is unlikely to actually get a job. Employers look for personality, skills, experience AND education, not just education alone. I'm on track for a first at my uni and have already had a graduate job offer from one of the top firms in my field (with 2 years left until I graduate), but they've never even asked to see my grades. They were first drawn in by the initiative I took to contact them for experience and then I formed a relationship with them from there. Getting good grades is great, but grades alone won't get you a job. Gaining experience and contacts will, and you sure as hell aren't going to be doing either of those things cooped up in a library for your entire university life.

I don't mean to be rude, but no one should need to spend that long studying in order to get first class grades. 35-40 hours a week is plenty of time to get first class grades, still fit in a part time job, social life, down time and working out.
Original post by GoingToBurst
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You don't study Law at the university the other poster does. You cannot possibly say what it takes to get a first for that person. Also, it's commendable that you are gaining so much success without ever having a need to consult your academic grades. For Law, it is highly competitive and for barristers in particular a first is a perquisite. Apples and oranges.

It almost sounds to me as if you're jealous of the other person's resolve. If they are happy with it, leave them to it and pipe down. Most certainly don't presume to say they are not as bright as others for having a need to commit themselves to their studies in order to achieve their grades, when you have no basis of understanding their studies. Alright.
Original post by callum_law
You don't study Law at the university the other poster does. You cannot possibly say what it takes to get a first for that person. Also, it's commendable that you are gaining so much success without ever having a need to consult your academic grades. For Law, it is highly competitive and for barristers in particular a first is a perquisite. Apples and oranges.

It almost sounds to me as if you're jealous of the other person's resolve. If they are happy with it, leave them to it and pipe down. Most certainly don't presume to say they are not as bright as others for having a need to commit themselves to their studies in order to achieve their grades, when you have no basis of understanding their studies. Alright.


No I don't study law, however my boyfriend and many of my close friends did and I was right alongside them throughout their degrees. Not one of them spent 11 hours per day in the library in order to get good grades. I've also taken a few law modules myself and again, never needed to spend any more time on those than I would already spend on my other modules. It just isn't necessary for people who use their time well. I'm not saying they're an idiot, I'm saying they clearly don't use their time efficiently otherwise they wouldn't need to be following the schedule they do.

I'm really not sure what you think I would be jealous of? I spend enough time in the library, I'm certainly not jealous of someone spending even more time in the library and less time doing the other things that are important to me.

It's okay though, I've known enough law students in my time to know that no one even compares to their intelligence and anyone who gets good grades in less time must be doing an easier degree/at an easier university rather than just working more efficiently. :facepalm:
Original post by GoingToBurst
It's okay though, I've known enough law students in my time to know that no one even compares to their intelligence and anyone who gets good grades in less time must be doing an easier degree/at an easier university rather than just working more efficiently. :facepalm:


That's all you had to say.

I think it's a bit duplicitous to say Well I have not studied Law but my boyfriend has as if that answers the question. If you want to get a first from Cambridge in Law, you will need to work a lot harder than if you want to get a first from Middlesex. Simply having studied the same subject does not mean much if the two people you are comparing have studied at different universities.

I am very happy for your success. But stick to offering opinions on things you know.
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Original post by callum_law
Reading Law at a top university entails a lot of hours at the library reading if you want to get a top grade. It might be easier to get a first at your university than the other poster's, and I think their effort should be commended (especially if they enjoy the subject and reading ancient judgments in equity law).

What year are you in, @gman10?


I am going into my final year! And you are correct in saying a lot of the work is actually reading endless amounts of content to put the theory into context. It is also a major plus that I love what I do and none of it is a drag :smile:


Original post by GoingToBurst
Getting a first in my degree takes a lot of reading and analysis too, but again, you should be reading SMART, not necessarily for longer. No one should be commended for regularly spending 11 hours/day doing uni work. Someone with a first class degree and no transferable skills is unlikely to actually get a job. Employers look for personality, skills, experience AND education, not just education alone. I'm on track for a first at my uni and have already had a graduate job offer from one of the top firms in my field (with 2 years left until I graduate), but they've never even asked to see my grades. They were first drawn in by the initiative I took to contact them for experience and then I formed a relationship with them from there. Getting good grades is great, but grades alone won't get you a job. Gaining experience and contacts will, and you sure as hell aren't going to be doing either of those things cooped up in a library for your entire university life.

I don't mean to be rude, but no one should need to spend that long studying in order to get first class grades. 35-40 hours a week is plenty of time to get first class grades, still fit in a part time job, social life, down time and working out.


Firstly, doing law modules and doing a law degree are completely different. I have friends who did law modules, but don't actually do a law degree, and did not do half the work I did on my equivalent modules. Secondly, you mentioned that you would rather be well rounded with extra-curriculars and work experience then spend all your days working. Every holiday since I was 16 has been spent at a part time job and I have racked up hundreds of placements at law firms, chambers, and businesses. Furthermore, I have mooted at the international finals of the largest mooting competition in the world, I played academy rugby at school, and set up a business that funded my university studies. Just because I work long and hard doesn't mean I dont have fun, nor does it mean I have nothing extra to offer to employers.

And trust me I wouldn't sit in the library all day just staring at my work. I have motivations and goals to achieve, and I know procrastination or simply being idle would not help me. So, please don't question my work ethic.
Original post by gman10
I am going into my final year! And you are correct in saying a lot of the work is actually reading endless amounts of content to put the theory into context. It is also a major plus that I love what I do and none of it is a drag :smile:




Firstly, doing law modules and doing a law degree are completely different. I have friends who did law modules, but don't actually do a law degree, and did not do half the work I did on my equivalent modules. Secondly, you mentioned that you would rather be well rounded with extra-curriculars and work experience then spend all your days working. Every holiday since I was 16 has been spent at a part time job and I have racked up hundreds of placements at law firms, chambers, and businesses. Furthermore, I have mooted at the international finals of the largest mooting competition in the world, I played academy rugby at school, and set up a business that funded my university studies. Just because I work long and hard doesn't mean I dont have fun, nor does it mean I have nothing extra to offer to employers.

And trust me I wouldn't sit in the library all day just staring at my work. I have motivations and goals to achieve, and I know procrastination or simply being idle would not help me. So, please don't question my work ethic.


Equivalently, I did more work for my law modules than some of the law degree students did. Taking law modules doesn't compare to a law degree, however given that I am studying towards my own degree and have experienced law modules during that I think I have a fair idea of how much work is required. Law may not be my degree, but I try equally as hard for modules that aren't specific to my degree as I do for my compulsory modules.

That's great that you have all of that extra experience and you don't just sit there staring at your work, but I still don't believe that 11 hours of sitting in a library is good for anyone. Your brain can't remain fully focussed for that period of time and 11 hours is simply unnecessary for getting good grades. Many people get excellent grades without wasting so much time in the library. Regardless, you'll probably find it very useful that you've gone through your degree this way because many law traineeships involve regular 10-15 hour days so at least you'll be used to that schedule.

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