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Donald Trump wants to ruin Scotland

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Scottish farmer stands in way of Trump's dream
Golf Resort
Jennifer Hill, Reuters
Published: Friday, November 16, 2007

BALMEDIE, Scotland - The wild stretch of east coast Scottish shoreline near the village of Balmedie hardly looks like the setting for a battle between the most famous U.S. property tycoon and a stubborn farmer.

But this idyllic village is near where Donald Trump wants to build a billion-dollar golf resort, a five-star hotel, 950 time-share apartments and 500 houses, providing he can overcome the objections of Michael Forbes.

The 55-year-old salmon farmer has enlisted the support of well-wishers from around the world in his fight to stop Mr. Trump developing the Menie Estate near Balmedie beach, about 21 kilometres north of the city of Aberdeen.
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He is also refusing to sell land that sits right in the middle of the proposed development, believes the U.S. developer's plans offer little for Scotland and is annoyed at Mr. Trump for describing the state of his property as "disgusting."

"They say that money talks; not with me it doesn't," Mr. Forbes said.

"He has no chance of getting it. Take your insult and shove it. Do not bother me again: Not for sale."

Local opinion is sharply divided ahead of a key meeting next Tuesday, when councillors are due to make an initial ruling on Mr. Trump's plans. Meanwhile, the letters for and against keep pouring in.

The golf resort would be Mr. Trump's sixth, but the only one on this side of the Atlantic.

It would, he says, be a product of his links with Scotland. His mother grew up on a croft in Stornoway on the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides.

"Because my mother is Mary MacLeod from Stornoway -- she lived in Stornoway for many years, I guess about 20 years before she came to the United States -- I really had a preference for Scotland, and it's also the home of golf," Mr. Trump said in an interview posted on a Web site created by his company to promote the development (http://www.trumpgolfscotland.com).

"We saw a piece of land in Scotland that was really beautiful. And it's our ambition to ... build the best course anywhere in Europe and maybe the best course in the world, and I think we have the piece of land to do it."

The development provides a "unique opportunity to conserve and enhance the environment," according to Trump International.

The developer told Britain's Guardian newspaper he is "saving" the dunes: "It's a piece of land which is disappearing ...it's blowing all over the place."

But environmental groups, including Scottish Natural Heritage (SNH), a government conservation agency, and pressure group Sustainable Aberdeenshire have criticized the plans to stabilize a rare, 4,000-year-old sand dune system, one of the top five dune habitats in Britain.

SNH says the development would effectively destroy a site of special scientific interest and is an important habitat for plants and animals.

On Mr. Trump's side are economic development and tourism agencies -- Scottish Enterprise and its Scottish Development International arm, Aberdeen & Grampian Chamber of Commerce and Visit Scotland.

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Thats horrible. Scotland is one of the few bits of the UK that isnt overpopulated and developed. Hope it doesn't go through.
Reply 2
Donald Trump is my new favourite person.
Reply 3
God forbid Trump actually brings some tax revenue to Scotland. And then Scots wonder why they're dirt poor. English imperialism indeed. :rolleyes:
Bismarck
And then Scots wonder why they're dirt poor.


They do well out of the union.
Reply 5
naivesincerity
They do well out of the union.


Thanks to 11 billion pounds in transfers from England each year. Perhaps Scotland can actually try to develop itself instead of leaching off England. So what exactly is wrong with trying to develop some rundown area in Scotland, which I doubt any one gave a damn about until Trump bought it?
The environments alot more important than some stupid golf course! Scotland is one of the few places in the UK that hasn't been ruined by loads of towns and cities being built there.
Reply 7
Lou76854
The environments alot more important than some stupid golf course! Scotland is one of the few places in the UK that hasn't been ruined by loads of towns and cities being built there.


Too bad no one cared about that environment until Trump bought it. So do tell why some desolate piece of land that no one cared about until now is more important than jobs for hundreds and extra tax revenue that can be used to pay for the Scottish welfare state.
Reply 8
balmedie....idyllic? LOL. Sure.
Bismarck
Too bad no one cared about that environment until Trump bought it. So do tell why some desolate piece of land that no one cared about until now is more important than jobs for hundreds and extra tax revenue that can be used to pay for the Scottish welfare state.

Whilst I agree that Scotland leeches off England, surely the whole point of having a natural environment is that it's appreciated without anyone having to "care" about it?
Reply 10
Sehnsucht
Whilst I agree that Scotland leeches off England, surely the whole point of having a natural environment is that it's appreciated without anyone having to "care" about it?


Unless that environment gets so run down that it no longer serves its environmental purpose. Regardless, why is the existence of some rundown beach more important than jobs and more funding for the NHS/schools/transportation?
Bismarck
Too bad no one cared about that environment until Trump bought it. So do tell why some desolate piece of land that no one cared about until now is more important than jobs for hundreds and extra tax revenue that can be used to pay for the Scottish welfare state.

No one cared about it because it wasn't in danger of being ruined so there was no need to go on about saving a piece of land that was safe anyway. And its obviously not just a rundown piece of land seen as it has alot of wildlife in it. If you'd rather destroy the planet so a country can have a few extra quid then your obviously a completely selish person!
Reply 12
Lou76854
No one cared about it because it wasn't in danger of being ruined so there was no need to go on about saving a piece of land that was safe anyway. And its obviously not just a rundown piece of land seen as it has alot of wildlife in it. If you'd rather destroy the planet so a country can have a few extra quid then your obviously a completely selish person!


And what does preferring to have hundreds of people be unable to make a living just so you can be happy about the existence of wasteland in a place you've never been to make you?
seen as everyone in that area would rather have the land kept as it is they obviously don't want the jobs that desperately and 500 jobs over thousands of animals lives? And you wonder why so many animals are becoming extinct, its because people like you would rather have a few extra jobs.
Sehnsucht
Whilst I agree that Scotland leeches off England


I don't think thats entirely fair. They get a tiny bit more spent on them per head overall than England. But London gets more spent on them per head than Scotland if I recall correctly. And it has a larger population. Plus we took their oil money in the past.
Reply 15
naivesincerity
I don't think thats entirely fair. They get a tiny bit more spent on them per head overall than England. But London gets more spent on them per head than Scotland if I recall correctly. And it has a larger population. Plus we took their oil money in the past.


11 billion pounds a year go from England to Scotland each year; that's 2,000 pounds per person. And stop thinking like a socialist. Oil doesn't make a country prosperous. England simply has a better economy.

Lou76854
seen as everyone in that area would rather have the land kept as it is they obviously don't want the jobs that desperately and 500 jobs over thousands of animals lives? And you wonder why so many animals are becoming extinct, its because people like you would rather have a few extra jobs.


Is there a particular reason you value the lives of animals more than the lives of people?
Reply 16
Too late.
Reply 17
Ruin scotland?
Lol you have got to question what is he ruining, a couple of sand dunes were its cold msot of the year and nothing goes on
hes bringing business to the area, creating jobs investing in the economy, building possibly the best golf course in the world there

sorry but i dont see the problem?
its not like wildlife dont thrive just as well in a golf course.
Bismarck
11 billion pounds a year go from England to Scotland each year; that's 2,000 pounds per person.


And what's the converse statistic?
Bismarck
Is there a particular reason you value the lives of animals more than the lives of people?

Well obviously the peoples lives aren't really in danger considering they're living fairly well at the moment, and how is the scottish economy bad? Its not bad by any means, people who live in third world countries would consider scottland a paradise!

And pleases explain how this is run down -

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/Louisa122334/balmedie-stream1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/Louisa122334/beachwatch1.jpg

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