School inspectors to question Muslim girls who wear hijabs

the fact that it's a woman who's the founder of the first ever university is even more astonishing.

Definitely.

That is not, and has never been a proper university. It is just a jumped up Madrassa, all the students learn about, pretty much, is the Koran and Islamic Law. The first universities in a meaningful sense were in Bologna and Paris. True, they focused on Christian theology in the early days, but have branched out somewhat since. Theology has all but disappeared as a subject in western universities.

You don't get Nobel prizes in the sciences for memorising the Koran, or studying the Bible. That doesn't advance human knowledge, contribute to human progress. Give anything to the world, intellectually, it is a sterile backwater that leads nowhere.

Do you know how many Muslim Nobel laureates there have been, out of interest? I suggest you look it up.

And then asks yourself why if there are two billion Muslims in the word, as you guys constantly claim, one small Cambridge College, Trinity, has won more Nobel prizes than the whole of the Islamic world?

I don't deny that many centuries ago Islam led the world intellectually, and indeed specifically mentioned it, myself, in an earlier post.

But we don't live in that age. Today all Muslim States are either politically unfree, or downright dictatorships. Uprooted Muslims can't assimilate in the West and scream "God is great" as they slash the throats of disbelievers on the streets of London.

And the only new thing coming out of the religion is the "Islamic State" a throwback to the earliest days of the faith, in the time of Mohammed, when it was spread by the sword and sex slavery.

In the context of an Islamic society, it is indeed astonishing - considering that women aren't even allowed to lead prayers, or even sit at the front!

Do you have any examples of such achievements after the "Golden Age" (inspired by the cultures absorbed by the expanding Islamic empire) had been ousted by theological literalism?

Nonsense!
Are you seriously claiming that there were no centres of dedicated learning, anywhere in the world, before the middle of the 9th century? Are you high?

In the context of an Islamic society, it is indeed astonishing - considering that women aren't even allowed to lead prayers, or even sit at the front!

Do you have any examples of such achievements after the "Golden Age" (inspired by the cultures absorbed by the expanding Islamic empire) had been ousted by theological literalism?

What are you on about? Muslims introduced many maths topics like Algebra and Pythagoras theorem etc... The first university Al-Qarawiyyin did'nt just study Islamic Law and the Qur'an, but also non-Islamic subjects like English and French and Maths and science, the Muslim students there graduated with high diplomas and University-level bachelor's degrees. And if your talking about Cambridge College, Trinity and why you think they have won more Noble prizes than the Muslim world, firstly that's not true secondly studying in Muslim Arab countries and even the other Muslim countries like Pakistan it is totally different from studying in European countries because its sooooo much harder. in Iraq the level of year 5 student's work is equivalent to a GCSE students work. When i was there a few years ago I went to school there for a few months. We studied work that here in England we would study it in Year 10. But in Iraq mostly everyone passed the work, that is equivalent to GCSE here, because we are very clever and so are other Muslim countries. I'm not saying European countries aren't clever of course they are clever I'm just saying that in Islamic countries in school and universities they don't just study Qur'an and Islamic law but they also do other non-Islamic subjects because they are clever enough to know that if they want to get a good job like a doctor they have to study the Sciences English Maths etc..

With all respect I do not allow you to speak about my beautiful religion like that.

What are you on about saying that women aren't allowed to lead prayers or even allowed to sit at the front.

like God says in the Qur'an for advice for the Muslims to say "For you is your religion and for me is my religion"

so please stop talking about my religion in this way I don't like it and no Muslim would like it.

According to UNESCO and Guinness World Records it is. I guess you're not as professional as you used to be with your 'evidence'.

Very astonishing! I'm glad we agree since women at that time couldn't even vote and get involved in politics (unlike Islam that gave women that right), but like you said leading a prayer and sitting in front does sound more important I guess.

Why don't you give me an examples of females in that time who did open a university.

Also look up Queen Rania of Jordan.

The first university Al-Qarawiyyin did'nt just study Islamic Law and the Qur'an, but also non-Islamic subjects like English and French

And if your talking about Cambridge College, Trinity and why you think they have won more Noble prizes than the Muslim world, firstly that's not true

secondly studying in Muslim Arab countries and even the other Muslim countries like Pakistan it is totally different from studying in European countries because its sooooo much harder. in Iraq the level of year 5 student's work is equivalent to a GCSE students work. When i was there a few years ago I went to school there for a few months. We studied work that here in England we would study it in Year 10. But in Iraq mostly everyone passed the work, that is equivalent to GCSE here, because we are very clever and so are other Muslim countries.

Oh dear.
From the Guinness site...

The oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world is the University of Karueein...
The Sumerians had scribal schools or É-Dub-ba soon after 3500BC.


I really shouldn't get so much pleasure from things like this, but when people gloat about their own ignorance, I just can't help myself!

Are you claiming that there were no women leaders or in positions of power before Islam?

And kindly quote the ayah or hadith where women are allowed to vote.

So does that mean that you can't provide any examples of women with power and autonomy after the Golden Age? (I am not saying there aren't any - there might be, I haven't looked. )

I am aware of her. What was your point?

With all respect I do not allow you to speak about my beautiful religion like that.

Okay!

Ergh I haven’t read anything here worth replying to.

If you want to know the verses, women in charge etc go search it up

Standard apologist's excuse #2

So does that mean that you can't provide any examples of women with power and autonomy after the Golden Age? (I am not saying there aren't any - there might be, I haven't looked. )

I presume that is meant to be sardonic.

What bits don't you agree with? The political backwardness of Muslim majority countries, or the Allah Akbar throat cutting in countries where they form a minority?

Or both?

If education levels in Muslim countries are so far ahead of those in the "west" (which they aren't), then we would expect to see more Muslims winning Nobel prizes. But we don't.

In the context of an Islamic society, it is indeed astonishing - considering that women aren't even allowed to lead prayers, or even sit at the front!

Sorry - were you talking about Islam or Catholicism, Judaism or even some parts of Anglicism when you were talking about the male dominance in the world's major religions?

Sorry - were you talking about Islam or Catholicism, Judaism or even some parts of Anglicism when you were talking about the male dominance in the world's major religions?

Or perhaps you were making reference to the lack of women in senior positions of the UKs FTSE 100 companies? Or the gender pay gap in this country?

It's all so confusing - I wasn't sure just exactly what point you were trying to make.