Who do you want to be next labour leader.

As a Tory who paid £3 to a vote in future Labour Leader Elections, I choose Rebecca Long Bailey as I would feel more comfortable if Boris had a 100+ majority next time.

I'm sure you did. Many people are saying the same thing. A caller on LBC said the same as well.

Having looked through this thread and looked around the labour ranks this Monentum women thing could prove a fatal mistake, almost as bad as suggesting Starmer (right politics but he’s literally made himself the symbol of Labour Remain the last 2 years).

Of the shadow front bench the only two I think have the communication skill (the grammpa thing is nice but hardly charismatic) are Gardiner and Ashworth. Gardiner accepted Brexit until this year so is not really stained and is on the hard left while Ashworth is loyal but a moderate Brownite having come through with Miliband, he has also not really entered the Brexit debate much.

Outside of the front bench the best candidates are Cooper (remoaner but not prominent and actually capable of strength in communication) and Kinnock. Both are on the right side of the party and have baggage but both are excellent communicators without any real Brexit baggage.

Starmer needs to be the election after next to have any chance and Bailey would struggle to beat Miliband’s haul.

Gardiner's voice would ruin him. I know its nonsense and harsh, but how a person sounds still makes a difference, and I know plenty of people who aren't switched on to poltiics but would hear that voice and just say 'nah..'

I can't say the Tories will be living in fear of any of those.

Long-Bailey is not an especially good communicator and comes across as whiny.
Butler is just poor.
Raynor sounds common which while not an issue for myself, will be an issue to the tory floaters in southern england they need to pull across.

Starmer and Cooper have the best meld of politics and ability to communicate but Starmer is much too tainted by being a London Remoaner and Cooper now has a majority of about 1500 (granted Raynor's is only 4000).

Right now their options are pretty poor.

I do not want Jess Philips. She's too woke, I don't think it will go down well with voters.
I do not want Sadiq khan. He has made Boris look like a competent major of London which is staggering.

But I'd like David miliband. Heck I would quite like Tony Blair.
But I'm one of the few people who agreed with him that Iraq was a war worth fighting.

Who do you want.

We need someone outside the Westminster bubble.

Why might one ask?

Because he watches old Christopher hitchens videos online. He posted a quote from him on the other thread..

I mean, its a reasonable quote, but wierd to post now considering that Hitchens made the comments long before we knew the outcome of the wars, and of course he never would see the outcome as he died before it all resolved itself, so he never had a chance to adjust his possition and let his mindless followers adjust theirs as well.

I don't like starmer tbh.
I'm trying think who else but it's a struggle.

I wouldn't mind a female leader but none have the authority like Thatcher which I think you need.
Even May could run rings around the possible contenders.

Maybe with the exception of Harriet Harman but brexit has damaged her as well

I really hope labour does not push a female candiate as leader just for the sake of having a female leader.

Having looked through this thread and looked around the labour ranks this Monentum women thing could prove a fatal mistake, almost as bad as suggesting Starmer (right politics but he’s literally made himself the symbol of Labour Remain the last 2 years).

Of the shadow front bench the only two I think have the communication skill (the grammpa thing is nice but hardly charismatic) are Gardiner and Ashworth. Gardiner accepted Brexit until this year so is not really stained and is on the hard left while Ashworth is loyal but a moderate Brownite having come through with Miliband, he has also not really entered the Brexit debate much.

Outside of the front bench the best candidates are Cooper (remoaner but not prominent and actually capable of strength in communication) and Kinnock. Both are on the right side of the party and have baggage but both are excellent communicators without any real Brexit baggage.

Starmer needs to be the election after next to have any chance and Bailey would struggle to beat Miliband’s haul.