Which party would you vote for if there was a general election tomorrow?

12 years in power and what do we have to show for it? Creaking public services, non existent growth, higher taxes and stagnant wages.

Tories deserve a long spell in opposition.

Reply 81

Captain Haddock

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Original post by DSilva

12 years in power and what do we have to show for it? Creaking public services, non existent growth, higher taxes and stagnant wages.

Tories deserve a long spell in opposition.

This would be best for everyone including the Tories as a party in my opinion. The ERG need to be utterly routed from the party if the Conservatives and indeed the country are to regain any kind of dynamism.

Brexit, or at least the form of it that the ERG has shoved down our throats, isn't exactly popular and will only become less so. The economic illiteracy of the whole moronic exercise is now having a real and grievous impact on peoples' lives and in the cold light of day the 'sOvErIgNtY' talk looks completely preposterous. This situation where some loony fringe is effectively hamstringing either party's ability to enter into reasonable negotiations with the largest trading block in the world, who we happen to have on our doorsteps, is untenable.

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Reply 82

Rakas21

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When I read the above I feared that there had been a sudden surge, a quick look at the wiki though suggests that Remain polled in the 47-52% range in October and all that's happened is movement from Leave to DK (not a massive worry), we also saw Sunak put down a Swiss style mission creep.

Reply 83

Lalleighette

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Monster Raving Loony.

Voting is a mug's game these days, so I might as well vote for someone who pokes fun at it.

Reply 84

imlikeahermit

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Original post by Rakas21

When I read the above I feared that there had been a sudden surge, a quick look at the wiki though suggests that Remain polled in the 47-52% range in October and all that's happened is movement from Leave to DK (not a massive worry), we also saw Sunak put down a Swiss style mission creep.

It just continues to show how thick the voting populace is. 15% drop in trade and the U.K. economy to be the second worst performing next year, only behind similarly trade sanctioned Russia. Speaks absolute volumes.

Reply 85

Captain Haddock

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Original post by Rakas21

When I read the above I feared that there had been a sudden surge, a quick look at the wiki though suggests that Remain polled in the 47-52% range in October and all that's happened is movement from Leave to DK (not a massive worry), we also saw Sunak put down a Swiss style mission creep.

At this point only 32% are willing to commit to saying Brexit was the right decision. 19% of Brexit voters now say it was the wrong decision.

Reply 86

imlikeahermit

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Original post by Captain Haddock

At this point only 32% are willing to commit to saying Brexit was the right decision. 19% of Brexit voters now say it was the wrong decision.

PRSOM.

Reply 87

imlikeahermit

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Original post by tryhardgigs

Yes I think not having to pay for life-saving surgery is a great thing??????
The waiting lists can easily be remedied by appropriate funding and restructuring instead of limiting access to those who need it and sending poor families in debt like they do in America. Would you really rather that happens so you can get an appointment with your GP sooner?

You could throw a blank chequebook at the NHS and it would still not have enough money. By it’s free nature, it leads to a lack of personal responsibility and overuse. By the way, I should add, I’m not on about people paying a fortune here for services or insurance, but the idea that people pay something is the norm in most developed countries around the world, and their services are much much better.

Reply 88

Fullofsurprises

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Original post by Rakas21

When I read the above I feared that there had been a sudden surge, a quick look at the wiki though suggests that Remain polled in the 47-52% range in October and all that's happened is movement from Leave to DK (not a massive worry), we also saw Sunak put down a Swiss style mission creep.

Still, a big shift is going on over a multi-year period. Just look at the graph.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

Right to Leave-vs-Wrong to Leave was 46:43 on April 1 2021. A few days ago those figures were 32:56.

There's no longer any basis for assuming the Rejoin is unpopular, quite the contrary.

Reply 89

DSilva

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Original post by Rakas21

When I read the above I feared that there had been a sudden surge, a quick look at the wiki though suggests that Remain polled in the 47-52% range in October and all that's happened is movement from Leave to DK (not a massive worry), we also saw Sunak put down a Swiss style mission creep.

I wonder how long Brexit's backers will continue to deny reality. All the promises that were made, all the waffling about how the NHS would get an extra £350 million a week, about how our immigration system would be fixed, about how we'd have these incredible trade deals have all turned to dust as expected.

The truth is that six years on from the referendum there hasn't been a single tangible benefit of Brexit. Can you name just one way in which we are tangibly better off as a result?

Reply 90

DSilva

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

Still, a big shift is going on over a multi-year period. Just look at the graph.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

Right to Leave-vs-Wrong to Leave was 46:43 on April 1 2021. A few days ago those figures were 32:56.

There's no longer any basis for assuming the Rejoin is unpopular, quite the contrary.

It's a trend that can't be ignored, but Starmer is too weak to recognise it, despite being Mr second referendum himself.

Reply 91

imlikeahermit

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Original post by DSilva

I wonder how long Brexit's backers will continue to deny reality. All the promises that were made, all the waffling about how the NHS would get an extra £350 million a week, about how our immigration system would be fixed, about how we'd have these incredible trade deals have all turned to dust as expected.

The truth is that six years on from the referendum there hasn't been a single tangible benefit of Brexit. Can you name just one way in which we are tangibly better off as a result?

Woah. Are you completely overlooking the fact that we can now change the emergency exit signs in the Dartford tunnel!? Gosh. You’re such a daisy downer.

Reply 92

Fullofsurprises

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Original post by imlikeahermit

Woah. Are you completely overlooking the fact that we can now change the emergency exit signs in the Dartford tunnel!? Gosh. You’re such a daisy downer.

Reply 93

DSilva

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Original post by imlikeahermit

Woah. Are you completely overlooking the fact that we can now change the emergency exit signs in the Dartford tunnel!? Gosh. You’re such a daisy downer.

How silly of me!

I'd really like someone to actually set out the real, tangible benefits of Brexit, as opposed to just general notions of 'we are free to set our own path'.

At some point the question will need to be revisited.

Reply 94

amandaholten

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110% Labour Party.
Agree to disagree.

Reply 95

username5944912

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Original post by DSilva

12 years in power and what do we have to show for it? Creaking public services, non existent growth, higher taxes and stagnant wages.

Tories deserve a long spell in opposition.

This can not be said loud enough. It is not just that they’ve spent all our money, but they have run public services into the ground while doing it and trashed the economy.

We can only assume that those still willing to back the Conservative Party do so out of ignorance of economic reality.