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I am currently on my first year studying level 3 national foundation diploma next year I will move upto level 3 extended diploma in Aeronautical engineering, what are my options after I finish my course on what I can do to enhance my studies and work towards a degree. I am looking to study an engineering related course in a selected university but I am not sure if I will meet the criteria, what am I open too?

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Original post by samin1z
I am currently on my first year studying level 3 national foundation diploma next year I will move upto level 3 extended diploma in Aeronautical engineering, what are my options after I finish my course on what I can do to enhance my studies and work towards a degree. I am looking to study an engineering related course in a selected university but I am not sure if I will meet the criteria, what am I open too?

A Level 3 Extended Diploma in Engineering(*) will meet the entry requirements of many engineering courses at university - although many will, unfortunately, want A level Maths alongside the Extended Diploma. :frown: Are there any universities in which you're particularly interested?

Your grade is always going to be what will enhance you're appeal to universities - you can't offset weak grades with a fantastic personal statement. Do you have any idea what grade you're targeting for the Extended Diploma? (I realise that it's very early days, given that you've only just started the Foundation Diploma!)

Some examples of engineering courses which don't required an A level in maths in addition to the Extended Diploma are:
Aeronautical Engineering BEng/MEng (Hons) at De Montfort University. They want an Engineering or Physics BTEC Extended Diploma at DMM for the BEng or DDM for MEng. Are DMM or DDM plausible, do you think? (details here)
Mechanical Engineering BEng at Brunel University London. They want BTEC Level 3 National Extended Diploma (RQF) DDD in Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Manufacturing Engineering, Electrical/Electronic Engineering, with Distinctions in Engineering Principles and Calculus to Solve Engineering Problems. (details here)
Engineering BEng Hons at Lancaster University. They want BTEC (2016 specifications): Distinction, Distinction, Merit in an Engineering related subject to include Distinctions in the following units Unit 1 Engineering Principles, Unit 7 Calculus to Solve Engineering Problems. Unit 8 Further Engineering Mathematics is highly recommended. (details here)

(*) I've said "Engineering" here rather than "Aeronautical Engineering" because the BTEC web site says here that the "Pearson BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma in Aeronautical Engineering" stopped taking new registrations in July 2020. The "Pearson BTEC Level 3 Diploma in Aerospace and Aviation Engineering" (here) is still active, and is perhaps the official name of your course. Rather than getting tied up in the details (which I've very prone to do - as evidenced by this footnote), I've just decided to consider your BTEC as being in engineering generally. Or perhaps your course isn't a BTEC at all?
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Original post by DataVenia
A Level 3 Extended Diploma in Engineering(*) will meet the entry requirements of many engineering courses at university - although many will, unfortunately, want A level Maths alongside the Extended Diploma. :frown: Are there any universities in which you're particularly interested?
Your grade is always going to be what will enhance you're appeal to universities - you can't offset weak grades with a fantastic personal statement. Do you have any idea what grade you're targeting for the Extended Diploma? (I realise that it's very early days, given that you've only just started the Foundation Diploma!)
Some examples of engineering courses which don't required an A level in maths in addition to the Extended Diploma are:
Aeronautical Engineering BEng/MEng (Hons) at De Montfort University. They want an Engineering or Physics BTEC Extended Diploma at DMM for the BEng or DDM for MEng. Are DMM or DDM plausible, do you think? (details here)
Mechanical Engineering BEng at Brunel University London. They want BTEC Level 3 National Extended Diploma (RQF) DDD in Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Manufacturing Engineering, Electrical/Electronic Engineering, with Distinctions in Engineering Principles and Calculus to Solve Engineering Problems. (details here)
Engineering BEng Hons at Lancaster University. They want BTEC (2016 specifications): Distinction, Distinction, Merit in an Engineering related subject to include Distinctions in the following units Unit 1 Engineering Principles, Unit 7 Calculus to Solve Engineering Problems. Unit 8 Further Engineering Mathematics is highly recommended. (details here)
(*) I've said "Engineering" here rather than "Aeronautical Engineering" because the BTEC web site says here that the "Pearson BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma in Aeronautical Engineering" stopped taking new registrations in July 2020. The "Pearson BTEC Level 3 Diploma in Aerospace and Aviation Engineering" (here) is still active, and is perhaps the official name of your course. Rather than getting tied up in the details (which I've very prone to do - as evidenced by this footnote), I've just decided to consider your BTEC as being in engineering generally. Or perhaps your course isn't a BTEC at all?

Hey there thanks for the info, I'm currently in year 11 and I'm not sure if i should take a levels or do a level 3 extended diploma in aeronautical engineering, or maybe even the btec and a level maths together.
Can I speak to you about my possible options
Original post by codyvarga
Hey there thanks for the info, I'm currently in year 11 and I'm not sure if i should take a levels or do a level 3 extended diploma in aeronautical engineering, or maybe even the btec and a level maths together.
Can I speak to you about my possible options

As I'm sure you know, a BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma is the equivalent (size-wise) of three A levels. Although many universities are happy to accept a relevant BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma (e.g. Aeronautical Engineering) for an engineering degree, some feel that it doesn't contain sufficient maths content, and so want A level Maths in addition to the Extended Diploma - i.e. the equivalent of four A levels, size-wise.

So, if you're looking have access to widest set of universities possible, without having to do the equivalent of four A levels, you'd take three A levels (including Maths). However, that doesn't really tell the whole story, as BTECs (being primarily based on coursework rather than exams) might simply suit you better. A high-grade BTEC Extended Diploma might be better than a mid-grade set of A levels. There might be other reasons to choose one approach over the other (e.g. what courses are available at your local school/college).

If you have some target universities (e.g. ones close to you, or ones you've always aspired to attend) then read their entry requirements carefully and see what they say about BTECs. Also, what degree course would be be looking to do? Aeronautical Engineering, the same as the BTEC?
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Original post by DataVenia
As I'm sure you know, a BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma is the equivalent (size-wise) of three A levels. Although many universities are happy to accept a relevant BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma (e.g. Aeronautical Engineering) for an engineering degree, some feel that it doesn't contain sufficient maths content, and so want A level Maths in addition to the Extended Diploma - i.e. the equivalent of four A levels, size-wise.
So, if you're looking have access to widest set of universities possible, without having to do the equivalent of four A levels, you'd take three A levels (including Maths). However, that doesn't really tell the whole story, as BTECs (being primarily based on coursework rather than exams) might simply suit you better. A high-grade BTEC Extended Diploma might be better than a mid-grade set of A levels. There might be other reasons to choose one approach over the other (e.g. what courses are available at your local school/college).
If you have some target universities (e.g. ones close to you, or ones you've always aspired to attend) then read their entry requirements carefully and see what they say about BTECs. Also, what degree course would be be looking to do? Aeronautical Engineering, the same as the BTEC?

I would most likely be interested in getting a degree apprenticeship,
My concern with doing btec is that it's regarded as where people go when they fail their gcses, (evident by the courses low grade gcse requirements) as someone who is predicted 8s and 7s I'm worried that I'd be wasting an opportunity to take a levels.
I'm just not sure which would benefit me more

A bit of context, I don't like the school system and think maybe college life would be better for My mental health than sixth form, but maybe sixth form will give me more opportunities considering the college I would go to is regarded as pretty bad (barnfield college in luton)
Original post by codyvarga
I would most likely be interested in getting a degree apprenticeship,
My concern with doing btec is that it's regarded as where people go when they fail their gcses, (evident by the courses low grade gcse requirements) as someone who is predicted 8s and 7s I'm worried that I'd be wasting an opportunity to take a levels.
I'm just not sure which would benefit me more

A bit of context, I don't like the school system and think maybe college life would be better for My mental health than sixth form, but maybe sixth form will give me more opportunities considering the college I would go to is regarded as pretty bad (barnfield college in luton)

You talk about BTECs and then A levels, and then talk about you school and college, without having explained the relationship between the two. Many schools offer BTECs now (in addition to A levels), and many colleges offer both BTECs and A levels.

However, you seem to be suggesting that if you wanted to do A levels, it'd mean staying at school (in sixth form), but if you wanted to do a BTEC it'd mean going to the "pretty bad" college. Have I got that right?

You say "I don't like the school system and think maybe college life would be better for My mental health". Are you able to elaborate at all? Many sixth forms are quite distinct from the rest of your school, with quite a different vibe. How is yours?
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Original post by DataVenia
You talk about BTECs and then A levels, and then talk about you school and college, without having explained the relationship between the two. Many schools offer BTECs now (in addition to A levels), and many colleges offer both BTECs and A levels.
However, you seem to be suggesting that if you wanted to do A levels, it'd mean staying at school (in sixth form), but if you wanted to do a BTEC it'd mean going to the "pretty bad" college. Have I got that right?
You say "I don't like the school system and think maybe college life would be better for My mental health". Are you able to elaborate at all? Many sixth forms are quite distinct from the rest of your school, with quite a different vibe. How is yours?

Yes the sixth form and the college are independent of one another.
This a really complicated situation I am in that I have posted about on my account.
But to sum it up, my option are,
go to a prestigious Private sixth form 2 hours away every day from 6am to 6pm
Go to a local sixth form 20 minutes away and study the same things as the private sixth but my dad thinks it won't give me as many "opportunities"/networking as going to the private school (berkhamsted) will.
Or option three, go to a college close to me and do a btec in engineering, but the college is regarded as full of "Roadmen" and people who failed their gcses.

Note: I got a full scholarship/bursary to berkhamsted sixth but I'm worried that the 12 hour days will affect me mentally as I won't have time outside of school for friends, girlfriend etc
But my dad thinks that if I don't go then I will regret it forever.
What will going to there give me that the school down the road can't?
Original post by codyvarga
Yes the sixth form and the college are independent of one another.
This a really complicated situation I am in that I have posted about on my account.
But to sum it up, my option are,
go to a prestigious Private sixth form 2 hours away every day from 6am to 6pm
Go to a local sixth form 20 minutes away and study the same things as the private sixth but my dad thinks it won't give me as many "opportunities"/networking as going to the private school (berkhamsted) will.
Or option three, go to a college close to me and do a btec in engineering, but the college is regarded as full of "Roadmen" and people who failed their gcses.

Note: I got a full scholarship/bursary to berkhamsted sixth but I'm worried that the 12 hour days will affect me mentally as I won't have time outside of school for friends, girlfriend etc
But my dad thinks that if I don't go then I will regret it forever.
What will going to there give me that the school down the road can't?


Why would you need to go to the private school for 12 hours a day? Is this just because of the commute distance? Is it possible for your family to relocate closer?
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Original post by artful_lounger
Why would you need to go to the private school for 12 hours a day? Is this just because of the commute distance? Is it possible for your family to relocate closer?

No its not possible, the commute is too far and I'm poor so I cant move closer. To put it bluntly.
Original post by codyvarga
No its not possible, the commute is too far and I'm poor so I cant move closer. To put it bluntly.

In that case I'd probably focus on the local options. A 2 hour commute each way is really draining. That's about as long as my commute for uni (door to door) which I would absolutely not be doing if I had any other choice.

Students can and do get excellent results at local state schools and go on to "top" universities, and equally students at private schools get middling results and end up at rather average universities. While getting the scholarship is an impressive feat which you should be proud of achieving, if the practicalities of the situation don't fit, you shouldn't feel compelled to take it up regardless.

In any event to circle back to your original points, if your aim is to do an engineering degree then A-levels are probably the best option realistically, as they will be consistently accepted for the course and are probably the most accurate reflection of the degree and thus best preparation for said degree. If your goal is a degree apprenticeship then the other options may merit consideration, as that will involve more on the job training as well as formalised study.
Original post by artful_lounger
In that case I'd probably focus on the local options. A 2 hour commute each way is really draining. That's about as long as my commute for uni (door to door) which I would absolutely not be doing if I had any other choice.
Students can and do get excellent results at local state schools and go on to "top" universities, and equally students at private schools get middling results and end up at rather average universities. While getting the scholarship is an impressive feat which you should be proud of achieving, if the practicalities of the situation don't fit, you shouldn't feel compelled to take it up regardless.
In any event to circle back to your original points, if your aim is to do an engineering degree then A-levels are probably the best option realistically, as they will be consistently accepted for the course and are probably the most accurate reflection of the degree and thus best preparation for said degree. If your goal is a degree apprenticeship then the other options may merit consideration, as that will involve more on the job training as well as formalised study.

Yeah I've narrowed it down to a decent sixth form in my area vs the private sixth form ages away.
I spoke to my friend about it and he basically said I should suck it up and deal with it for 2 years because it will give me more opportunities.
The thing is, I'm just not sure what going to the private school will give me that the local one won't. Besides the people I meet there being more wealthy.
He said something about how if I go to private sixth then I'm going to get into a better uni/apprenticeship way easier, but i don't see how.
Can u give me some insight
Original post by codyvarga
Yeah I've narrowed it down to a decent sixth form in my area vs the private sixth form ages away.
I spoke to my friend about it and he basically said I should suck it up and deal with it for 2 years because it will give me more opportunities.
The thing is, I'm just not sure what going to the private school will give me that the local one won't. Besides the people I meet there being more wealthy.
He said something about how if I go to private sixth then I'm going to get into a better uni/apprenticeship way easier, but i don't see how.
Can u give me some insight

The 6th form name by itself isn't going to do it. While some private schools tend to have better results for students due to spending a lot of money coaching the students for the exams, whereas state schools don't always have the resources to do so. However as I said, people do achieve good results even at state schools which is ultimately what unis look for.
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Original post by artful_lounger
The 6th form name by itself isn't going to do it. While some private schools tend to have better results for students due to spending a lot of money coaching the students for the exams, whereas state schools don't always have the resources to do so. However as I said, people do achieve good results even at state schools which is ultimately what unis look for.

Yeah because everyone's been telling me that its a no brained to go to the private school, but I don't know if I want to spend 60 hours a week (including the journey to and from) at school.
I will basically be leaving behind my entire life for potentially the same qualifications as if I were to go to the local sixth form
Original post by codyvarga
Yeah because everyone's been telling me that its a no brained to go to the private school, but I don't know if I want to spend 60 hours a week (including the journey to and from) at school.
I will basically be leaving behind my entire life for potentially the same qualifications as if I were to go to the local sixth form

I think your "Go to a local sixth form 20 minutes away and study the same things as the private sixth" is probably your best option. The long commute to the private sixth form will be really tiring.

It'll also make it much harder to get involved in any after-school activities (sports, drama, etc.) and will make socialising with friends you make there more difficult.

I think your dad is perhaps overstating the value of the increased opportunities the private six form can offer you when offset against the distances involved. (If it were 20 minutes away, that would be different.)
Original post by DataVenia
I think your "Go to a local sixth form 20 minutes away and study the same things as the private sixth" is probably your best option. The long commute to the private sixth form will be really tiring.
It'll also make it much harder to get involved in any after-school activities (sports, drama, etc.) and will make socialising with friends you make there more difficult.
I think your dad is perhaps overstating the value of the increased opportunities the private six form can offer you when offset against the distances involved. (If it were 20 minutes away, that would be different.)

Yeah that's what I think, but I'm so conflicted on what to pick it's all I can think about
Original post by codyvarga
Yeah that's what I think, but I'm so conflicted on what to pick it's all I can think about

If that's what you think then surely the decision is made, and any conflict is resolved. :smile:
Original post by DataVenia
If that's what you think then surely the decision is made, and any conflict is resolved. :smile:

The thing is I will have time to socialise with the people there as there are clubs and sports and things like that, it's just that I will be leaving everyone in my life currently behind and it scares me
Original post by codyvarga
The thing is I will have time to socialise with the people there as there are clubs and sports and things like that, it's just that I will be leaving everyone in my life currently behind and it scares me

Eh? :confused:

I wrote: "I think your "Go to a local sixth form 20 minutes away and study the same things as the private sixth" is probably your best option."
You replied: "Yeah that's what I think".
I replied that "decision is made".

Now you're talking about the time you won't have available for a variety of things if you go to the private sixth form which is two hours away. That's not what I suggested. I think the "local sixth form 20 minutes away" is you best option.
Original post by DataVenia
Eh? :confused:
I wrote: "I think your "Go to a local sixth form 20 minutes away and study the same things as the private sixth" is probably your best option."
You replied: "Yeah that's what I think".
I replied that "decision is made".
Now you're talking about the time you won't have available for a variety of things if you go to the private sixth form which is two hours away. That's not what I suggested. I think the "local sixth form 20 minutes away" is you best option.

Yes but I still can't decide
There are a number of factors here. Firstly 12 hour days should be out of the question. You will get burned out and wont have time for revision.

Secondly poor performing school students often get what are called contextual offers. These are usually 2 grades lower than you would get in a high performing school. Your parents are probably unaware of that.

Most universities accept BTECs in an appropriate subject. Some but not all require A levels with it.

Here is an example of the requirements for the degree apprenticeship at Swansea university

A Levels of grade BBB including Maths and Physics. There is no requirement on the third A Level, but one of Chemistry, Design, IT/Computing, Further Maths or Business/Economics is preferred or a relevant BTEC qualification with grades of D*D*D* with a Distinction in the Further Maths Module.
Relevant HNC qualification (120 credits, see note below on Year 2 entry)
Students with a relevant BTEC Level 3 Qualification with an overall grade of Distinction, including a distinction in the Further Maths module, may also apply. Applications will be considered on a case by case basis and applicants may be required to sit and pass an entrance examination.

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