Feminist Theory

the innate* equal worth of all people in the political and economical world

Don't forget The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir, which is a treatise of enough importance to warrant reading by not only those interested in gender theory, but anyone politically or culturally minded.

Also, feminism is the quest for manifesting the inate equal worth of all people in the political and economical world, and that is definitely a force of good. Do you believe that men and women should have equal pay for equal work? Do you believe that job opportunities should be given on the basis of character, accomplishment and ability rather than on sex? If you do, then you're a feminist.

The only thing I have a real.. not issue, exactly; that's the wrong word - more.. I don't know, qualm about is the idea that because women have been 'oppressed' for so long, they deserve distinct privileges because it is harder for them to succeed in a patriarchal society that has developed as a result of masculine power.

Feminism has done nothing for men? Interesting. Seeing as the 'emancipation' of women in the UK has left girls begging for male attention as it is now acceptable for a woman to chase a man rather than the other way round, so that men get easy sex and don't have to commit. So I'd say, in Britain anyway, feminism has actually worked against women in some respects. There is no pressure in society to get married anymore, which means that women who were perhaps searching for that commitment and security cannot rely on it anymore, and need to work, when maybe they would have been better suited to being a mother at home. The effects of women's liberation aren't all that positive for women, and their sexual 'emancipation' is in the long run better for men.
OP, I recommend 'Women As Lovers' by Elfriede Jelinek. Take it as an allegory.

Women often dont seem to see many of the huge advantages they have, especially in education and the work place. The whole education system is based around how girls (typically) like learning, revisiting the same topics over and over just slightly advancing them. Like-wise teacher attitudes towards girls are completely different to those of boys and has been stated girls have advantages getting into science degrees in university (my sister got an offer 3 grades below (I mean like BBB instead of AAA etc) for university despite the fact she really isnt anything spectacular).

That said feminists seem intent on female domination rather than equality.

This post is very true. A girl at York I know through a friend is in the fortunate position of being half chinese, so she could put minority and female on all her applications. She was told by JP Morgan that all she had to do was turn upto the interview and not be a psycho.

Yea, Its also interesting to note that any time you mention male equality people stare at you like your a nazi or something. That or just not taken seriously.

Imma leave this thread now before I get a huge steaming pile of estrogen thrown at me...

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How likely is a girl to get a lower-than-standard offer for university, and compared to a boy? Do you know that? Does your little anecdote give any indication of that whatsoever?

Are there no boys in existence who have ever received such a lower than standard offer? You've just got one example of a girl getting one, and absolutely no knowledge of whether boys get them too.

Do you have any idea why your sister received such an offer or did you just assume it was because she was a girl? Just because you think she's "nothing special" doesn't mean the admissions tutors should too.

How moronic.

As for how girls "typically" like learning, what the ****? That's not how girls like learning, that's how idiots like learning.

Women were putting out before marriage a long time before feminism, that's for sure. Most of us all have some sort of bastard in our blood lines. I don't think the 'emancipation' of women has benefited men at all. I especially don't think it has benefited children in the slightest. You say that feminism has made it harder to get married, I say it has made it easier to get divorced. If women wanted to be in these committed relationships so much they wouldn't initiate well over half of all divorce proceedings, would they?

If you believe in all those things you listed you are egalitarian. Feminism, as the name suggests, is all about putting women first. I think the 'fem' part gives it away a tad... Feminism has done nothing for men, whatsoever.

Pathetic argument. Just because women initiate more divorces doesn't mean they don't want to be in a committed relationship; just means they don't want to be in a crap relationship.

Anti-feminists never fail to astound me. I am yet to meet a reasonable one, seriously. belle_xx not exactly flying the flag for reason herself particularly but there you are (working class women have always had to work, even after having had children).

What makes you so sure of this as a fact? Just curious.

That is because women are, and still is, a lesser sex in the very terms which I mentioned, salary earnings and job opportunities. Men has never needed any political movement for their equality, since they have been part of what has been seen (and still is seen) as a superior sex. Feminism is the political movement of giving women the rights thy deserve rather than men, because men has had the monopoly on those rights throughout history. I'm personally fine with calling it egalitarianism, but that is ignoring the actual situations, and in my opinion belittling the intense struggle for equal rights by suffragettes and other rightfully disatisfied persons. That tradition of working towards equal treatment for those who are discriminated against should not be ignored.