University is for studying, not drinking
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But premarital sex is the best kind of sex :/
Many students drink just to take their mind off work. Why would you want to worry about studying 24/7?
Yes, there are alternatives ways to socialise but this is the best option to get to know more people and to have a good time.
If you don't like drinking then don't take it up and don't hang around with people who engage in this activity instead of telling others what they should do.
Yes, there are alternatives ways to socialise but this is the best option to get to know more people and to have a good time.
If you don't like drinking then don't take it up and don't hang around with people who engage in this activity instead of telling others what they should do.
- "alcoholic inclinations also often lead to premarital sex"
This world never stops amusing me.
This world never stops amusing me.
aslong as no1 is drunk during lectures who cares. Let people do what they want in thier free time. Uni students are adults and its up to them to decide how they deal with thier resposabilities and use thier time. Btw i dont drink mysefl and it doesnt bother me in the slightest if other people do. I wouldnt dream of telling people how to live thier lives
Original post by Ineluctable
One of the things that particularly annoys me about university students is the vice of drinking. Having alcoholic inclinations also leads to other vices (such as premarital sex).
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
Marriage is just a formality, a stamp on the paper.
The whole concept of the "premarital-sex" statement is incorrect.
Jumping into bed with random women could be argued to be wrong but having
intimate relationship with your partner is in no way unacceptable.
Original post by Ineluctable
One of the things that particularly annoys me about university students is the vice of drinking. Having alcoholic inclinations also leads to other vices (such as premarital sex).
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
I actually agree with the OP, to a point. I'm only doing my A2 year at the moment though so I have never experienced university life, which means probably shouldn't judge just yet.
However, I don't like excessive drinking. I'll never understand how going out and getting so drunk you wake up in a gutter with no memory of what happened can constitute a 'good night out' for some people.
Universities are places where you go to learn and gain qualifications, skills and knowledge to prepare you for employment. I have no problem with what people do in their own private time at university, as long as they are there primarily to study.
What makes me sick is the number of people I see going to university just for the drinking, partying and sex, who have no real interest or enthusiasm for their chosen course.
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I personally find it is more difficult, especially in the run-up too exams to simply concentrate 100% on my work. So obviously a few drinks and a game of pool or watching the Football is the perfect way to relax - that way I can get more out of the time I do spend working and feel better at the same time.
People need to chill out on the OP.
This forum is FULL of threads where people are worried because they're not the drinking/clubbing type and don't think they'll fitin. Hell, *I* Feel that way, I'm not fitting in well. Those threads are full of comfort and support.
I agree with the OP, though they could have worded it in a less pushy way. Universities, particularly British ones are more closely associated with "Getting pissed up with the lads" than getting a degree, it's an unrealistic expectation and outside view that students (Partcularly those who badly want their degree) simply can't live upto in some cases.
This forum is FULL of threads where people are worried because they're not the drinking/clubbing type and don't think they'll fitin. Hell, *I* Feel that way, I'm not fitting in well. Those threads are full of comfort and support.
I agree with the OP, though they could have worded it in a less pushy way. Universities, particularly British ones are more closely associated with "Getting pissed up with the lads" than getting a degree, it's an unrealistic expectation and outside view that students (Partcularly those who badly want their degree) simply can't live upto in some cases.
Original post by Pthaos
People need to chill out on the OP.
This forum is FULL of threads where people are worried because they're not the drinking/clubbing type and don't think they'll fitin. Hell, *I* Feel that way, I'm not fitting in well. Those threads are full of comfort and support.
I agree with the OP, though they could have worded it in a less pushy way. Universities, particularly British ones are more closely associated with "Getting pissed up with the lads" than getting a degree, it's an unrealistic expectation and outside view that students (Partcularly those who badly want their degree) simply can't live upto in some cases.
This forum is FULL of threads where people are worried because they're not the drinking/clubbing type and don't think they'll fitin. Hell, *I* Feel that way, I'm not fitting in well. Those threads are full of comfort and support.
I agree with the OP, though they could have worded it in a less pushy way. Universities, particularly British ones are more closely associated with "Getting pissed up with the lads" than getting a degree, it's an unrealistic expectation and outside view that students (Partcularly those who badly want their degree) simply can't live upto in some cases.
I don't think many people are disputing the fact that people who treat uni as a three-year pissup deserve the terrible degree they're likely to get at the end of it. But if you take the view that all drinking and premarital sex is plain wrong (as the OP has done) you're not likely to find many people on this forum who will even remotely agree. And he seems to be unaware that it's entirely possible to drink, sometimes even get drunk
and still get a good degree - as I'm sure many users on here could testify.Original post by Ineluctable
One of the things that particularly annoys me about university students is the vice of drinking. Having alcoholic inclinations also leads to other vices (such as premarital sex).
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
hear hear.... well spoken (tapping on the table). I think your not the only person to feel the same way.
Thank Labour and their intiative to 'free education', diluting our education system and allowing people to go to university, with menial grades.
if you achieve a B is say Physics at GCSE, you will then be allowed to study for the advanced syllabus; A level. Ironically, how can one do the advanced level in such a subject when they cant achieve top grade for the GCSE. Granted certain cricumstances do pertain in individual cases.
Then such a student may recieve a B or C grade in Leve and may be rejected from a handful of universities who require, say, and A grade. But low and behold such a person will recieve an offer, somewhere else, one these joke 'Universities', where they will recieve loans and grants and will not work as hard as someone at the top end of the academic spectrum as they have no REAL interest in studying the subject. If they did then they would spend all if not most of their time in their faculties or departements doing research, joining societies and revising etc.
I beleive education should be free, but higher education should be for those who have worked hard and have achieved near to full marks, not everyone can for obvious circumstnaces, and they should be indidually.
anyway as this weakining system goes on, more and more 'students' are not actually students, they are a utter joke, thus the redifing of the life of a student. Once it was about the privellege, hard work, proud to be represent ones university and a reward for intelligence, but know anyone with any qualification may be admitted.
many students will end up doing the jobs they would have done, had they not gone to unvirsity using the learning on the job scheme, apprenticeships and other mechanisms within the economic structure.
Low and behold the government along with puffed up or inflated job roles are deemed 'gradtuate jobs' when in essence they are not, they have been labelled with such title to make the 'graduate' feel good.
the HE system is a comically, adeverse system that perpetuates the belief one has a right without applying ones self in the proper manner, which means not raving but associating through get to gethers, diabolic drinking sprees to perhaps tea parties or sharing a meal.
oh and btw we fund this, subsidise these 'student' bus fares and other major services, as they are more than content to disperese of their finanaces in many unpleasant ways.
im not a conservative or someone who wants education to become elitist, i want GENUINE value for the degrees and university and i want it to be tranparrent and widely accesible, not widely admittable (if thats a word).
please please please, dont come with the horrible comments, i am simply saying what is truth, if we got rid of all these 'mickey mouse' universites and courses, than all those millions, which is substantial, may be given to those universities with impressive results, who may then grow their universities to, two or three cities to expand in that way.
honestly
Original post by honestly
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Either you're confusing "students who drink" with "students who get mediocre grades", or you've entirely missed OP's "point".
Original post by Ineluctable
More teetotallers get better degrees
More teetotallers get better degrees
give evidence to support your claim
Original post by Ineluctable
One of the things that particularly annoys me about university students is the vice of drinking. Having alcoholic inclinations also leads to other vices (such as premarital sex).
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
Universities are educational and research centres, where you are meant to work. After all, if you want to drink, why go to university at all? I don't think anybody has a license to complain when they end up with an average degree and have few job prospects due to the lifestyle that they have chosen to lead.
You do realise that your opinion on premarital sex applied to YOU, not anyone else.
Original post by honestly
hear hear.... well spoken (tapping on the table). I think your not the only person to feel the same way.
Thank Labour and their intiative to 'free education', diluting our education system and allowing people to go to university, with menial grades.
if you achieve a B is say Physics at GCSE, you will then be allowed to study for the advanced syllabus; A level. Ironically, how can one do the advanced level in such a subject when they cant achieve top grade for the GCSE. Granted certain cricumstances do pertain in individual cases.
Then such a student may recieve a B or C grade in Leve and may be rejected from a handful of universities who require, say, and A grade. But low and behold such a person will recieve an offer, somewhere else, one these joke 'Universities', where they will recieve loans and grants and will not work as hard as someone at the top end of the academic spectrum as they have no REAL interest in studying the subject. If they did then they would spend all if not most of their time in their faculties or departements doing research, joining societies and revising etc.
I beleive education should be free, but higher education should be for those who have worked hard and have achieved near to full marks, not everyone can for obvious circumstnaces, and they should be indidually.
anyway as this weakining system goes on, more and more 'students' are not actually students, they are a utter joke, thus the redifing of the life of a student. Once it was about the privellege, hard work, proud to be represent ones university and a reward for intelligence, but know anyone with any qualification may be admitted.
many students will end up doing the jobs they would have done, had they not gone to unvirsity using the learning on the job scheme, apprenticeships and other mechanisms within the economic structure.
Low and behold the government along with puffed up or inflated job roles are deemed 'gradtuate jobs' when in essence they are not, they have been labelled with such title to make the 'graduate' feel good.
the HE system is a comically, adeverse system that perpetuates the belief one has a right without applying ones self in the proper manner, which means not raving but associating through get to gethers, diabolic drinking sprees to perhaps tea parties or sharing a meal.
oh and btw we fund this, subsidise these 'student' bus fares and other major services, as they are more than content to disperese of their finanaces in many unpleasant ways.
im not a conservative or someone who wants education to become elitist, i want GENUINE value for the degrees and university and i want it to be tranparrent and widely accesible, not widely admittable (if thats a word).
please please please, dont come with the horrible comments, i am simply saying what is truth, if we got rid of all these 'mickey mouse' universites and courses, than all those millions, which is substantial, may be given to those universities with impressive results, who may then grow their universities to, two or three cities to expand in that way.
honestly
Thank Labour and their intiative to 'free education', diluting our education system and allowing people to go to university, with menial grades.
if you achieve a B is say Physics at GCSE, you will then be allowed to study for the advanced syllabus; A level. Ironically, how can one do the advanced level in such a subject when they cant achieve top grade for the GCSE. Granted certain cricumstances do pertain in individual cases.
Then such a student may recieve a B or C grade in Leve and may be rejected from a handful of universities who require, say, and A grade. But low and behold such a person will recieve an offer, somewhere else, one these joke 'Universities', where they will recieve loans and grants and will not work as hard as someone at the top end of the academic spectrum as they have no REAL interest in studying the subject. If they did then they would spend all if not most of their time in their faculties or departements doing research, joining societies and revising etc.
I beleive education should be free, but higher education should be for those who have worked hard and have achieved near to full marks, not everyone can for obvious circumstnaces, and they should be indidually.
anyway as this weakining system goes on, more and more 'students' are not actually students, they are a utter joke, thus the redifing of the life of a student. Once it was about the privellege, hard work, proud to be represent ones university and a reward for intelligence, but know anyone with any qualification may be admitted.
many students will end up doing the jobs they would have done, had they not gone to unvirsity using the learning on the job scheme, apprenticeships and other mechanisms within the economic structure.
Low and behold the government along with puffed up or inflated job roles are deemed 'gradtuate jobs' when in essence they are not, they have been labelled with such title to make the 'graduate' feel good.
the HE system is a comically, adeverse system that perpetuates the belief one has a right without applying ones self in the proper manner, which means not raving but associating through get to gethers, diabolic drinking sprees to perhaps tea parties or sharing a meal.
oh and btw we fund this, subsidise these 'student' bus fares and other major services, as they are more than content to disperese of their finanaces in many unpleasant ways.
im not a conservative or someone who wants education to become elitist, i want GENUINE value for the degrees and university and i want it to be tranparrent and widely accesible, not widely admittable (if thats a word).
please please please, dont come with the horrible comments, i am simply saying what is truth, if we got rid of all these 'mickey mouse' universites and courses, than all those millions, which is substantial, may be given to those universities with impressive results, who may then grow their universities to, two or three cities to expand in that way.
honestly
I agree with you on quite a bit of that, I think that university in the current sense should be for the academic elite, however do you really think you'd get into a top university if you spell that badly?!
Original post by honestly
hear hear.... well spoken (tapping on the table). I think your not the only person to feel the same way.
Thank Labour and their intiative to 'free education', diluting our education system and allowing people to go to university, with menial grades.
if you achieve a B is say Physics at GCSE, you will then be allowed to study for the advanced syllabus; A level. Ironically, how can one do the advanced level in such a subject when they cant achieve top grade for the GCSE. Granted certain cricumstances do pertain in individual cases.
Then such a student may recieve a B or C grade in Leve and may be rejected from a handful of universities who require, say, and A grade. But low and behold such a person will recieve an offer, somewhere else, one these joke 'Universities', where they will recieve loans and grants and will not work as hard as someone at the top end of the academic spectrum as they have no REAL interest in studying the subject. If they did then they would spend all if not most of their time in their faculties or departements doing research, joining societies and revising etc.
I beleive education should be free, but higher education should be for those who have worked hard and have achieved near to full marks, not everyone can for obvious circumstnaces, and they should be indidually.
anyway as this weakining system goes on, more and more 'students' are not actually students, they are a utter joke, thus the redifing of the life of a student. Once it was about the privellege, hard work, proud to be represent ones university and a reward for intelligence, but know anyone with any qualification may be admitted.
many students will end up doing the jobs they would have done, had they not gone to unvirsity using the learning on the job scheme, apprenticeships and other mechanisms within the economic structure.
Low and behold the government along with puffed up or inflated job roles are deemed 'gradtuate jobs' when in essence they are not, they have been labelled with such title to make the 'graduate' feel good.
the HE system is a comically, adeverse system that perpetuates the belief one has a right without applying ones self in the proper manner, which means not raving but associating through get to gethers, diabolic drinking sprees to perhaps tea parties or sharing a meal.
oh and btw we fund this, subsidise these 'student' bus fares and other major services, as they are more than content to disperese of their finanaces in many unpleasant ways.
im not a conservative or someone who wants education to become elitist, i want GENUINE value for the degrees and university and i want it to be tranparrent and widely accesible, not widely admittable (if thats a word).
please please please, dont come with the horrible comments, i am simply saying what is truth, if we got rid of all these 'mickey mouse' universites and courses, than all those millions, which is substantial, may be given to those universities with impressive results, who may then grow their universities to, two or three cities to expand in that way.
honestly
Thank Labour and their intiative to 'free education', diluting our education system and allowing people to go to university, with menial grades.
if you achieve a B is say Physics at GCSE, you will then be allowed to study for the advanced syllabus; A level. Ironically, how can one do the advanced level in such a subject when they cant achieve top grade for the GCSE. Granted certain cricumstances do pertain in individual cases.
Then such a student may recieve a B or C grade in Leve and may be rejected from a handful of universities who require, say, and A grade. But low and behold such a person will recieve an offer, somewhere else, one these joke 'Universities', where they will recieve loans and grants and will not work as hard as someone at the top end of the academic spectrum as they have no REAL interest in studying the subject. If they did then they would spend all if not most of their time in their faculties or departements doing research, joining societies and revising etc.
I beleive education should be free, but higher education should be for those who have worked hard and have achieved near to full marks, not everyone can for obvious circumstnaces, and they should be indidually.
anyway as this weakining system goes on, more and more 'students' are not actually students, they are a utter joke, thus the redifing of the life of a student. Once it was about the privellege, hard work, proud to be represent ones university and a reward for intelligence, but know anyone with any qualification may be admitted.
many students will end up doing the jobs they would have done, had they not gone to unvirsity using the learning on the job scheme, apprenticeships and other mechanisms within the economic structure.
Low and behold the government along with puffed up or inflated job roles are deemed 'gradtuate jobs' when in essence they are not, they have been labelled with such title to make the 'graduate' feel good.
the HE system is a comically, adeverse system that perpetuates the belief one has a right without applying ones self in the proper manner, which means not raving but associating through get to gethers, diabolic drinking sprees to perhaps tea parties or sharing a meal.
oh and btw we fund this, subsidise these 'student' bus fares and other major services, as they are more than content to disperese of their finanaces in many unpleasant ways.
im not a conservative or someone who wants education to become elitist, i want GENUINE value for the degrees and university and i want it to be tranparrent and widely accesible, not widely admittable (if thats a word).
please please please, dont come with the horrible comments, i am simply saying what is truth, if we got rid of all these 'mickey mouse' universites and courses, than all those millions, which is substantial, may be given to those universities with impressive results, who may then grow their universities to, two or three cities to expand in that way.
honestly
Not so long ago, there were not enough people going to university so grants and loans were created for students, so that there would be enough qualified people to fill jobs. Also, bad/not so great A level grades do not mean that you're going to do badly at university. My RS teacher got ACCD at A level, then got a 1st at uni. Just saying. :/
Original post by Phantom_X
my housemate is a physcist, took all his exams drunk and topped his class by a margin of 20%.
your move
your move
That is quite unusual. Professor Wolfram would be another example - I doubt most people could even dream of passing a physics exam whilst drunk!
Original post by Jodie9570
Not so long ago, there were not enough people going to university so grants and loans were created for students, so that there would be enough qualified people to fill jobs. Also, bad/not so great A level grades do not mean that you're going to do badly at university. My RS teacher got ACCD at A level, then got a 1st at uni. Just saying. :/
good for your teacher, an example of my view .... individual basis when giving places to potential students.... toby young failed o levels did very bad at alelvels recieved a offer letter from oxford accidently, but got a first in PPE. but sometimes a person who has views, able to express ideas and other simillar things are important for when giving places
hinestly
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