Muslim father beats daughter for dating a white

The post you quoted did. You compared 'lightly hitting your wife' to laws protecting child abuse.

You would feel absurd to think a father thinks rules about his wife apply to his daughter.

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That is incorrect. Honour killings usually only occur in middle eastern, south asian and African communities because men in those patriarchal societies believe they have a right to women's bodies. And it is most common among the Muslim community followed by the Hindu community. Not all societies follow this barbaric practice, so don't assume that they do. You never hear of a Singaporean honour killing.

Daily mail.

Dating is prohibited

Beating is abuse and is prohibited

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Im not even gonna bother with you

ermm excuse me? can you stop talking absolute nonsense about Muslim communitys and islam. our men do not thinkthey own our body. like wtf. In a lot of muslim households and communitys the men pretty much do and say what their women want. you dont belong to a muslim community so you wouldn't know.

The attitudes on this thread scare me so much that it's unreal. A little bit of background- I'm a 16yr old boy who comes from, and still proudly lives in an Islamic household. Admittedly, I'm a little uncertain of my beliefs, not because of any supposed horrors present in Islam, but just thoughtful about the entire notion of there being an all-seeing deity. I guess you could say that I come from one of those communities like this whereby my uncles and aunts would behave in this way- fortunately, my mum is more liberal- and NOT because she's been westernised, and is following the 'correct' path. My mum is fully Arabian, and I have never met a woman who is more caring, understanding and sincere as my mother. I feel as though I need to defend Islam, because there has been a severe mischaracterisation as to how Islam fundamentally treats women, it's people and how the society works. In my household, my friends households etc. yes, we got the occasional slap, and sometimes even the slipper etc. - this isn't evidence for 'Islam' and it's supposedly 'barbaric' methods; it's an example of a culture, that may I remind you originated from third world countries, whereby there isn't an uproar everytime a kid gets slapped by his mum for misbehaving. This is seen as the acceptable norm, because fundamentally the kid isn't harmed and further evidence for this is that slapping is permitted in the U.K and many 'white british' parents opt for this kind of disciplinary action. What ticks me off is how people seem to associate this directly with Islam, when it occurs in Chinese, Japanese, Nigerian and lots of other communities. In fact, if you live in London like myself, the culture that experiences the most amount of beatings from parents who refuse to listen, is the East and North African community, whereby the majority of people are Christian. This point isn't that Christians are bad and Muslims aren't; I'm not reversing the blame. What I'm proving is that this kind of thing isn't inherent to Islam. Fair enough, you may be wondering 'Why is it that the Muslims are the ones always going over the top'- the answer is that these cultures you get in India, Pakistan etc. are predominantly Muslim. As a consequence, when culture and the need to be respected comes in to play, religion is USED as a way to legitimise what is going on, by saying 'this is our way of life, look around you, everyone is Muslim and they're all doing it, therefore it's Islam that lets us get away with it'. The point at which everyone in these cultures believes in the need for reputation etc. NO ONE stops and says 'hang on, our religion doesn't tolerate this'- because everyone is fulfilling the status quo. So please, this isn't because of Islam- any further queries, and I'd be pleased to address them, because this mischaracterisation of my society is unfair and often just scapegoating and a way of making people feel good about their supposed liberalist ideals and a way of people praising themselves on being 'moral' and 'good' when essentially, you see the outside and don't comprehend the mechanics and the intricacies of what goes on in communities. And then people are actually surprised when Islamists emerge- yes, because you're demonising them everywhere they go, and some feel as though it's too far. You can't then blame them for going crazy- once again, this isn't specific to Islam, and no, I don't condone violence- just understand why it might arise and whether or not you can empathise.

I am sure that most Muslim men do not think that they own their women's bodies. Honour killings are very rare. However, in the cases where they do occur, they are disproportionately amongst the Muslim community, in places such as Afghanistan and Pakistan. Even in places like india.
So you are saying that Islam is not patriarchal, not at all?

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we are equal but we have different roles which is only natural since our bodies are wired differently. women are carers and men are protectors. men have it much harder than women tbh. they have to do a lot more

um...?
and yeah it might not be but people also have to realise that times are changing. We can only stick to traditions for so long before they don't apply to everyday life anymore.

Lol 'carers' and 'protectors'. Both sexes are equally good at both.

That's ridiculously old fashioned.

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stop twisting it. I am aware that both genders are capable of being both. but in general. even today men are protectors. its always women and children first for example. like that shootout that happened a couple of years ago in America. and most guys shielded their gf. it wasnt the opposite. and in most jobs that require working and caring for children.its usually females who do these type of jobs. for example most childminders, nursery teachers and primary school teachers are women. both are equal and are as capable as each other but are wired out biologically different.

That's tradition too. They are viewed as female workplaces and often aren't full day jobs for some of the assistants, which favour start at home mothers.

I don't know anything about that shootout but yeah if you have a gf you're not gonna run away from her and go protect some random kid. Just as a mother is gonna be the one to shield her son because she's the parent that's there. I have no doubt a father would jump in front of their son to shield them.

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The attitudes on this thread scare me so much that it's unreal. A little bit of background- I'm a 16yr old boy who comes from, and still proudly lives in an Islamic household. Admittedly, I'm a little uncertain of my beliefs, not because of any supposed horrors present in Islam, but just thoughtful about the entire notion of there being an all-seeing deity. I guess you could say that I come from one of those communities like this whereby my uncles and aunts would behave in this way- fortunately, my mum is more liberal- and NOT because she's been westernised, and is following the 'correct' path. My mum is fully Arabian, and I have never met a woman who is more caring, understanding and sincere as my mother. I feel as though I need to defend Islam, because there has been a severe mischaracterisation as to how Islam fundamentally treats women, it's people and how the society works. In my household, my friends households etc. yes, we got the occasional slap, and sometimes even the slipper etc. - this isn't evidence for 'Islam' and it's supposedly 'barbaric' methods; it's an example of a culture, that may I remind you originated from third world countries, whereby there isn't an uproar everytime a kid gets slapped by his mum for misbehaving. This is seen as the acceptable norm, because fundamentally the kid isn't harmed and further evidence for this is that slapping is permitted in the U.K and many 'white british' parents opt for this kind of disciplinary action. What ticks me off is how people seem to associate this directly with Islam, when it occurs in Chinese, Japanese, Nigerian and lots of other communities. In fact, if you live in London like myself, the culture that experiences the most amount of beatings from parents who refuse to listen, is the East and North African community, whereby the majority of people are Christian. This point isn't that Christians are bad and Muslims aren't; I'm not reversing the blame. What I'm proving is that this kind of thing isn't inherent to Islam. Fair enough, you may be wondering 'Why is it that the Muslims are the ones always going over the top'- the answer is that these cultures you get in India, Pakistan etc. are predominantly Muslim. As a consequence, when culture and the need to be respected comes in to play, religion is USED as a way to legitimise what is going on, by saying 'this is our way of life, look around you, everyone is Muslim and they're all doing it, therefore it's Islam that lets us get away with it'. The point at which everyone in these cultures believes in the need for reputation etc. NO ONE stops and says 'hang on, our religion doesn't tolerate this'- because everyone is fulfilling the status quo. So please, this isn't because of Islam- any further queries, and I'd be pleased to address them, because this mischaracterisation of my society is unfair and often just scapegoating and a way of making people feel good about their supposed liberalist ideals and a way of people praising themselves on being 'moral' and 'good' when essentially, you see the outside and don't comprehend the mechanics and the intricacies of what goes on in communities. And then people are actually surprised when Islamists emerge- yes, because you're demonising them everywhere they go, and some feel as though it's too far. You can't then blame them for going crazy- once again, this isn't specific to Islam, and no, I don't condone violence- just understand why it might arise and whether or not you can empathise.

Father admitted child cruelty and received a 21-week suspended sentence

He beat a helpless teenage girl with a weapon... a girl who he was responsible for... and all he got was a 21-week suspended sentence?