The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

Let's look at how NATO performs:
































And this is all in Serbia alone.


Imagine what's happened in 13 years of war in Afghanistan.

So that being hamas using civilians as meat shields then?

They need a home land as much as they next guy, i.e. they don't. They just need to learn how to get on with people. And what are these occasions of becoming "nearly extinct" because I've never heard of them, holocaust got no where near.

You condone collective punishment from the Israeli's but not from HAMAS.

Pure hypocrisy...

i am an orthadox jew and i do support zionism and no the torah does not forbid a jewish state...its just the different ways of interpreting the torah according to different sects of judaism

The Muslims basically fought against the Byzantians at that time. Rome had fought against the Jews and destroyed Jerusalem around 70 AD. Most of the surviving Jews (the Romans killed many Jews), fled to other areas.

What Hamas are doing is not collective punishment, but worse - it is a feeble attempt to destroy Israel. The targets are Israeli civilians.

Show me an example of Israel targeting civilians for the sake of killing civilians, and I will condemn them and call for them to be tried for war crimes. I have already condemned certain things that the Israelis have done, such as the use of white phosphorus in 2009.

Yes, the result of the conflict is collective punishment, but the people responsible for it are Hamas.

What Hamas are doing is not collective punishment, but worse - it is a feeble attempt to destroy Israel. The targets are Israeli civilians.

If Gaza stopped rocket fire the attacks will cease to exist and so Hamas has the defining move which could save lives yet they value their egotistical and political motives over anything else. If anyone doubts Hamas is a terrorist organisation they are idiots and so I side with Israel because terrorists such as these are sick and need to be eradicated by any means possible.

Israel because they want ceasefire bit the Hamas do not agree.

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israels idea of a ceasefire
- do whatever we say
- we control your borders
- no one can leave
- you can't receive any aid

So they didn't fight against the Jews for Palestine? Why are you then bringing it up? It is irrelevant.

The torah teaches do not steal and do not murder yet you have illegally occupied and stolen the Palestinians land and murdered thousands of innocent civilians

If the Israeli occupation of Palestine didn't take place then there would be no need for the Palestine people and Hamas to do what they do. They are the ones trying to defend the land they live on which has been getting ever smaller due to Israel's motives. Israel has been spreading like a virus growing larger and due to having backing can do so. This has even led to neighbouring countries attacking Israel. Israel has basically said accept our offers or face option b which is being wiped out. Palestine don't want to be dictated to and therefore are going to fight back. Now Israel is trying to play the victim card saying its self defence when in fact it has been the main catalyst for such going ons for decades but refuses to admit such. As the Venezuelans have said its effectively genocide of the Palestinian people and considering what happened to the Jewish people in WW2 is hypocritical and disgusting. Its no different from the bully becoming the bully to pick on another victim.


Wrong. Most deaths are civilians.



What utter nonsense. Israel have basically said do as we say and accept our terms or we will force you to do it. Why should the Palestinian people accept being bullied out of their homeland so Israel can occupy more?



This basically.

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What Israel has done is nothing short of disgusting. Its the equivalent of me building a house on your land of 2000sqm and then taking 50sqm of it and then taking 400sqm of it and then as I swallow up most of your land through violence over the years I tell you to either leave or have your house blown to pieces and I'll take your 2000sqm of land. Are you telling me in this situation the person who actually owns the land doesn't have a right to defend it in the first instance?

This has been planned for decades and I quote:



Just because Jews faced atrocities in Europe at the hands of Nazi Germany it does not make it okay for them to flee to Palestine, establish a secular state and slowly and slowly as more Jewish people move there which happened in the 40's and 50's move on to take more land of the Palestine people.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

So many frigging hypocrites on here. If Muslims come here fleeing Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Syria and set up an Islamic state in Britain and then it kept growing and they took the land of the British people you'd be outraged and claiming it was wrong. So please tell me how it is okay for Israel to do such a thing?

After all of that you think its nice of the Israeli people to want to ceasefire and so forth? Its like someone ****ing your wife, taking your house but then saying take the car to drive off in. Why should the Palestinians accept such a disgusting deal after all of what their people have been put through?

What they're fighting for now isn't just about land - its about the occupation of their homes, the annexing which pushed many of their relatives and loved ones into refugee status and the murdering of their people.

Quite frankly anyone who sides with Israel is either ignorant of pre WW2 going ons or straight up inhumane and vile.

I support the people of Palestine all the way. I have no problems with Jews settling around the world and enjoying their life but to try and set up a secular state in Palestine at the expense of their people and annex land over years is wrong and if it happened in any of our countries we would be disgusted. Don't ignore it just because it's happening miles away from your close knit western home. This is real life. The Palestinian people need humane support.

It's not self-defence when it's against legitimate self-defence. Hamas was founded during the intifada against the Israeli occupation. They didn't wake up one morning and decide they want to ruin Israeli lives. The actions of Hamas are a direct reflection of the suffering Israelis have inflicted on Palestinians since its inception.

No. The current conflict started when Zionists from the around world convened maliciously to cause a suffering against an innocent and unsuspecting people. I'm sure it gives you a sense of moral legitimacy to frame this recent conflict conveniently in a specific time scope when again, reality is not in congruence with it. Israelis kidnap Palestinian children almost as a past-time yet the kidnapping of 3 teenagers (whose kidnapping I don't want to detract any rightful grief from) is more important to you?

You expect the families of those children to not want to exact any revenge? Palestinian resistance movements have a history of kidnapping Israelis with the intent of trading them for the many Palestinians locked up and left to rot in Israeli's many prisons. Not that I condone or support kidnapping but this is the reality of being occupied.

I was watching the BBC coverage of Gaza a couple of nights ago and I don't believe that there was a strong bias in favour of Israel at all. For example, they mentioned that the Israeli death toll was not comparable to the Palestinian one.

I remember there was a psychology experiment where they showed the same news clip to pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli students. The pro-Palestinians said that the news coverage was biased in favour of Israel, and the pro-Israelis said that it was biased in favour of the Palestinians.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the whole "we are forced to blow hundreds of innocent civilians including countless children to pieces as it's the only way to defend ourselves, and has been for the last 60 years" is an argument that has never, and will never hold up, no matter how much people like you continue to spew it