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Original post by IWantToBeThere
Look, I'm not saying that philosophy doesn't contribute to humans intellectually. But I've come to believe that we're more indebted to science in our understanding of ourselves and things around us. Maybe it's because of my physics background, but if you think of e.g. relativity or quantum mechanics, I don't think philosophy alone would have ever thought about some of the things contradictory to common sense that can be found in those theories. I also don't think that the scientists who developed those theories, or Darwin, or any one else would go to a philosopher saying "We've got this theory (as the 'data'). Tell us what it means!"
And I'm looking at things thinking of what a scientist does vs what a philosopher does, not from the point of view that they come hand in hand, or the influence of philosophy in scientific method, etc.


Yes and those people who study the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics are philosophers. Meta-physicians precisely. Those who are obsessed with scientism tend to say that anybody who does "science" as they define it cannot be a philosopher. Essentially that a philosopher is by definition someone who doesn't understand science. That's not what philosophers are. As the

I don't think you understand that what Einstein did and what modern physicists do is part of philosophy. It is an inevitable specialising of it. It is only because of the way our social structures and economy is structured that we now call philosophy something distinct from "natural science". Modern philosophers take the work and physics and go forward from there, they're on the same path not walking around looking at totally different things and ignoring everything physicists have brought to the table. No, instead they are taking it, interpreting it and telling us how that data the physicist gives us applies to the world.
Original post by TorpidPhil
Yes and those people who study the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics are philosophers. Meta-physicians precisely. Those who are obsessed with scientism tend to say that anybody who does "science" as they define it cannot be a philosopher. Essentially that a philosopher is by definition someone who doesn't understand science. That's not what philosophers are. As the

I don't think you understand that what Einstein did and what modern physicists do is part of philosophy. It is an inevitable specialising of it. It is only because of the way our social structures and economy is structured that we now call philosophy something distinct from "natural science". Modern philosophers take the work and physics and go forward from there, they're on the same path not walking around looking at totally different things and ignoring everything physicists have brought to the table. No, instead they are taking it, interpreting it and telling us how that data the physicist gives us applies to the world.


Ok, I understand where you're coming from. By your general definition of philosopher, you're right. But I was making a distinction between scientists and philosophers by the typical background they come from. And you seem to tend to call every scientist who ponders their subject intellectually, at least those in theory, a philosopher. Again, part of your general definition I guess.
Btw, I didn't know there was a "correct interpretation" of quantum mechanics.
Original post by IWantToBeThere
Ok, I understand where you're coming from. By your general definition of philosopher, you're right. But I was making a distinction between scientists and philosophers by the typical background they come from. And you seem to tend to call every scientist who ponders their subject intellectually, at least those in theory, a philosopher. Again, part of your general definition I guess.
Btw, I didn't know there was a "correct interpretation" of quantum mechanics.


Well obviously there is only one correct interpretation of reality because reality is one such way, abiding by one set of laws. All of our current interpretations may be wrong but... Yeah.

Indeed this is my point though. All good scientists engage in philosophy and value philosophy. Likewise all good philosophers engage in science and value science. Both disciplines are aimed at the same goal - learning the truths of the world.
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Original post by amenahussein
Yes indeed I do! This world is way too complex and way to astonishing to be an accident..


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Which god do you believe in?
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Original post by Hayley Williams
I was a "catholic" when I was younger but am now an atheist.


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That's interesting why so? What happened to make you change your mind?
Original post by amenahussein
Yes indeed I do! This world is way too complex and way to astonishing to be an accident..


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I agree there is a supreme creactor who is beyond our imagination

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Original post by Fallen99
I agree there is a supreme creactor who is beyond our imagination

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Of-course!
Original post by amenahussein
Of-course!


:smile: R u muslim u name sounds like it

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Original post by Fallen99
:smile: R u muslim u name sounds like it

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I am indeed, named after the prophets mother. Hehe
Which one? I think any are very unlikely but am not comfortable putting a number on it. Safe to say likelihood far from 50-50.
Original post by amenahussein
I am indeed, named after the prophets mother. Hehe

Same here my name is also wht ur name is just the spelling is different

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Original post by Fallen99
Same here my name is also wht ur name is just the spelling is different

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Aaah ok! Salaams
Original post by mrocd2014
Which god do you believe in?


I am a Muslim, so my merciful Lord, the most compassionate, Āllaah.


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yes
I consider myself Agnostic but I'm leaning towards not caring entirely. Whether God exists or not has no importance in my life.
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I believe in God yes.
Im muslim too if that counts for anything.
There is no God. Where's the proof? I find it so difficult to understand why people can so easily believe something that has never and probably will never be proved. Fine if I'm wrong, I'll go to hell. That's fine by me.

I bet those who follow their religion and believe in the supernatural (yes God is classed as supernatural, should he exist) are the ones who believe the garbage the media throws at them without questioning anything, living life completely innocently and oblivious to all that's occurring.
Yes
Original post by soanonymous
There is no God. Where's the proof? I find it so difficult to understand why people can so easily believe something that has never and probably will never be proved. Fine if I'm wrong, I'll go to hell. That's fine by me.

I bet those who follow their religion and believe in the supernatural (yes God is classed as supernatural, should he exist) are the ones who believe the garbage the media throws at them without questioning anything, living life completely innocently and oblivious to all that's occurring.




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Wrong and wrong.I do science and maths and probably know alot more about it than you do I bet.

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