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Labour cannot do any sort of deal or coalition with the SNP

Miliband outright said it last night, no ifs and buts.

If he goes against it he will never live it down. So he will be forced to stick to his promise.

So why are people worrying about it? It can't happen now.

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Original post by Lady Comstock
Miliband outright said it last night, no ifs and buts.

If he goes against it he will never live it down. So he will be forced to stick to his promise.

So why are people worrying about it? It can't happen now.


I feel it was a mistake, to completely rule out a deal with the SNP.

As a Scottish voter, I am left feeling that we are not an integral part of the Union or 'the family of nations'. (If we were a family, it would be pretty dis-functional.) If current polling is correct, after the 7th of May the SNP could hold all 59 seats in Scotland.(http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/) So to reject the SNP complete when a majority of Scots support that party, shows to me that after staying in the Union we are not welcome to play an active role in the way the UK is run.
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Original post by SausageMan
I feel it was a mistake, to completely rule out a deal with the SNP.

As a Scottish voter, I am left feeling that we are not an integral part of the Union or 'the family of nations'. (If we were a family, it would be pretty dis-functional.) If current polling is correct, after the 7th of May the SNP could hold all 59 seats in Scotland.(http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/) So to reject the SNP complete when a majority of Scots support that party, shows to me that after staying in the Union we are not welcome in play an active role in the way the UK is run.


How many Scots won't be voting SNP?
Original post by Lady Comstock
How many Scots won't be voting SNP?


You'll have to wait until May 7th to find that one out. Ha
Miliband is planning for the future. He's thinking ahead.
We don't need a deal with the SNP.
We just say 'this is our proposal, go on vote with the tories, we dare you, try and live that down in Scotland'.
They would never vote with the tories, it would destroy them as a party.
We hold the power, not them.
seriously why do u ppl care so much just vote for who you think is best for the country and live your lives.
Original post by Bornblue
We don't need a deal with the SNP.
We just say 'this is our proposal, go on vote with the tories, we dare you, try and live that down in Scotland'.
They would never vote with the tories, it would destroy them as a party.
We hold the power, not them.


"We hold the power, not them." That sounds rather sinister. You wouldn't be Mr Gray, by any chance?
Original post by SausageMan
I feel it was a mistake, to completely rule out a deal with the SNP.

As a Scottish voter, I am left feeling that we are not an integral part of the Union or 'the family of nations'. (If we were a family, it would be pretty dis-functional.) If current polling is correct, after the 7th of May the SNP could hold all 59 seats in Scotland.(http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/) So to reject the SNP complete when a majority of Scots support that party, shows to me that after staying in the Union we are not welcome in play an active role in the way the UK is run.


I don't know about you but I'm not comfortable with a government in power that wants to separate our country. If you want unity, why are you defending the party that wants ANOTHER referendum on a separate Scotland?
Original post by ChoccyPhilly
I don't know about you but I'm not comfortable with a government in power that wants to separate our country. If you want unity, why are you defending the party that wants ANOTHER referendum on a separate Scotland?


In the words of Voltaire 'I may not agree with your opinion but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.

I support Scottish Independence and voted Yes in last years referendum. Currently, there is no a democratic mandate for another referendum but if there were to be I would vote yes again. Not be be better off but to be completely responsible for our own decisions.

As a Unionist, could you convince me on reasons to stay?
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Original post by SausageMan
I feel it was a mistake, to completely rule out a deal with the SNP.

As a Scottish voter, I am left feeling that we are not an integral part of the Union or 'the family of nations'. (If we were a family, it would be pretty dis-functional.) If current polling is correct, after the 7th of May the SNP could hold all 59 seats in Scotland.(http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/) So to reject the SNP complete when a majority of Scots support that party, shows to me that after staying in the Union we are not welcome to play an active role in the way the UK is run.


couldn't agree more

"better together... as long as you know your place and don't get involved in the UK government"
Original post by SausageMan
In the words of Voltaire 'I may not agree with your opinion but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.

I support Scottish Independence and voted Yes in last years referendum. Currently, there is no a democratic mandate for another referendum but if there were to be I would vote yes again. Not be be better off but to be completely responsible for our own decision making.

As a Unionist, could you convince me on reasons to stay?


I'm not going to give you reasons because that's your opinion and that's fine by me. However your last post bemoaned about how you don't feel like Scotland are integrated in th uk, but how can you expect to be integrated in the uk by voting for a party that wants independence? It just doesnt make any sense.
Original post by stemmery
Miliband is planning for the future. He's thinking ahead.


Miliband secretly doesn't want to be prime minister.

He has given up already

He doesn't want the job. He knows he isn't capable
Original post by ChoccyPhilly
I'm not going to give you reasons because that's your opinion and that's fine by me. However your last post bemoaned about how you don't feel like Scotland are integrated in th uk, but how can you expect to be integrated in the uk by voting for a party that wants independence? It just doesnt make any sense.


Who else are scottish people supposed to vote for? They'd never vote for the tories because they're the tories, they'd never vote for scottish labour because they are run by a right wing blairite (and have been generally useless for a number of years now) and they would never vote lib dem because no one in their right mind would vote them after they jumped into bed with the tories. The only other party left basically is Green and they want independence as well.

There are a lot of people in Scotland who vote for the SNP when they don't want independence. The SNP do have more than one policy.
Original post by democracyforum
Miliband secretly doesn't want to be prime minister.

He has given up already

He doesn't want the job. He knows he isn't capable


No, he doesn't want the SNP to get into power because he doesn't want to break the Union as Scotland is where most of the Labour votes come from. Without Scotland in the Union, Labour would have little chance of getting into power. He's trying to deter the Scottish voters by voting SNP by saying Labour wouldn't enter into a Coalition with the SNP, so there's no point in voting for them, unless they want a more right-wing government, which I'm going to say.. they don't.

I made this up, I could be wrong. I most likely am, but it's a nice theory anyway.
Original post by VladThe1mpaler
couldn't agree more

"better together... as long as you know your place and don't get involved in the UK government"


I suppose the issue is realistically the SNP still do not want to be part of the UK, Sturgeon has said so herself multiple times throughout this campaign,

That said, if Scotland is to leave the union at some point no matter what then there's no point being even more divisive now, Labour and the SNP, bar the Scottish question and Trident, should theoretically have enough in common to work together, and honestly I don't know what else Miliband would want to do otherwise bar desperately hoping he can get enough seats with Greens, Lib Dems & Plaid.
Original post by SausageMan
I feel it was a mistake, to completely rule out a deal with the SNP.

As a Scottish voter, I am left feeling that we are not an integral part of the Union or 'the family of nations'. (If we were a family, it would be pretty dis-functional.) If current polling is correct, after the 7th of May the SNP could hold all 59 seats in Scotland.(http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/) So to reject the SNP complete when a majority of Scots support that party, shows to me that after staying in the Union we are not welcome to play an active role in the way the UK is run.


That's your choice then. If the people of Scotland vote for a marginal party which they know won't be included in the government of the UK, they can't complain about being left out when it's what they wanted.
Original post by stemmery
No, he doesn't want the SNP to get into power because he doesn't want to break the Union as Scotland is where most of the Labour votes come from. Without Scotland in the Union, Labour would have little chance of getting into power. He's trying to deter the Scottish voters by voting SNP by saying Labour wouldn't enter into a Coalition with the SNP, so there's no point in voting for them, unless they want a more right-wing government, which I'm going to say.. they don't.

I made this up, I could be wrong. I most likely am, but it's a nice theory anyway.


throw Salmond overboard

and have the Kippers for breakfast

what about it ?
Original post by SausageMan
I feel it was a mistake, to completely rule out a deal with the SNP.

As a Scottish voter, I am left feeling that we are not an integral part of the Union or 'the family of nations'. (If we were a family, it would be pretty dis-functional.) If current polling is correct, after the 7th of May the SNP could hold all 59 seats in Scotland.(http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/318815-stvipsos-mori-poll-snp-set-to-win-all-scots-seats-at-general-election/) So to reject the SNP complete when a majority of Scots support that party, shows to me that after staying in the Union we are not welcome to play an active role in the way the UK is run.

You're a socialist country, England isn't. I wish you had got independence.
When it came to independence last year, the Scots voted no. Miliband is trying to attract the same group of voters which are obviously a majority in Scotland, to now vote for Labour. Clever move by him but think it'll backfire on him since he will have to end up doing a deal of some sort anyway, that the Scots won't have another referendum if Lab-SNP in power. That would be the best scenario in the coalition.

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