Labour cannot do any sort of deal or coalition with the SNP

Original post by TheRabbit

This was the case 5 years ago, but much has changed in that time and people in Scotland have become far less confident in Labour as a party and feel SNP is more likely to act in the best interests of Scotland. We know now that we can all vote Labour and still get a Tory government, so whats the point in voting Labour then? It doesn't feel like that argument particularly matters any more. 45% voted yes in the ref plus the high percentage that sat on the fence during the referendum wanted to see the pre-referendum promises carried out after the no vote and feel they have been betrayed, so thats a large percentage of unhappy people in Scotland.

This is just how I am seeing it in friends and family. I know I would of voted Labour 5 years ago had I been a few months older, but this time round its not that clear cut.

If you all vote SNP, you will get the Tories. If so, then I'm fairly certain you'll vote red next time around.

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democracyforum

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Original post by Lady Comstock

Miliband outright said it last night, no ifs and buts.

If he goes against it he will never live it down. So he will be forced to stick to his promise.

So why are people worrying about it? It can't happen now.

yes

he's lying

like clegg on tuition fees

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Original post by KingStannis

No, it means you're voting for a party who is a political rival to Labour and as such will not help you get a labour government.

If the option was still on the table. I would of like to have seen a confidence and supply agreement between Labour and the SNP. To make the Labour Party more progressive as there is hardly any difference between New Labour and the Tories.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015

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Original post by n1204402h

You've already lost this battle. You have no choice but to make the deal. If you don't its bad for everyone.

It would be bad for the SNP, bad in the short term for labour, but better for everybody else in the UK. I'm a labour man but I'd rather have hard nosed Tories than SNP lunatics making economic policy.

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KingStannis

Original post by SausageMan

If the option was still on the table. I would of like to have seen a confidence and supply agreement between Labour and the SNP. To make the Labour Party more progressive as there is hardly any difference between New Labour and the Tories.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015

You do realise some guys just gone and made that don't you? It doesn't at all reflect reality. And i don't like the compass anyway; because i do link left and right wing to social policy, and I don't see how it can take into account something like the Third Way.

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Original post by KingStannis

If you all vote SNP, you will get the Tories. If so, then I'm fairly certain you'll vote red next time around.

Which polling companies are you looking at? As current polling suggests otherwise. http://www.electionforecast.co.uk

It would be due to Labours negligence of not doing a deal with the SNP, that could lead to a Tory minority government this time round.

When Ed Miliband said last night he would rather see David Cameron back in power than make any kind of post election deal with the SNP. Not only has he just told the voters of Scotland that he prefers Tory government for the whole island to a civilised conversation with the people more than half of them (according to the polls) are going to vote for, he has just insulted the intelligence of voters everywhere in the UK with a quite unnecessary concession to the baying nut jobs of the Tory Press.

Here’s one possible scenario. The Tories are the biggest party next Friday. They try to form a government in cooperation with the Liberals and the DUP. They get as far as a Queen’s speech. If the SNP and Labour combined vote against that Queen’s speech, they can bring the Tories down before they get going.

The logic of what Ed just said, which every single Tory MP and mouthpiece in the media will hold him to, is that he abstain. Because to form his own minority government, he will need the support of the SNP whether he pretends they don’t exist and he can’t see or hear them or not.

He has just crippled his own minority government in an act of craven stupidity, a last ditch attempt to put the Scottish horse back in the stable from which it has clearly bolted, and a pointless bit of pandering to the Tory consensus which will despise him all the more for it. Once again, with the SNP, Labour have decided the best thing to do is shut their eyes and wish they’d go away.

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Original post by KingStannis

You do realise some guys just gone and made that don't you? It doesn't at all reflect reality. And i don't like the compass anyway; because i do link left and right wing to social policy, and I don't see how it can take into account something like the Third Way.

Well obviously, some one has to develop it.

Just as some one had to develop the Internet, in order for us to have a conversation through an digital platform.

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Chakede

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Original post by KingStannis

If you all vote SNP, you will get the Tories. If so, then I'm fairly certain you'll vote red next time around.

and if you vote labour or snp, then you will get the snp in uk government, and then a referendum which will most likely produce a split up of uk vote

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VladThe1mpaler

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If Labour decide not to go through with a deal and we get another Tory government, then that won't make people "vote red" the next time. All it will do is increase the support for independence. Regardless of whether Sturgeon did actually say she wanted a tory government or not, there is no arguing that it could be very useful in increasing their support.

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ridwan12

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Original post by Lady Comstock

Miliband outright said it last night, no ifs and buts.

If he goes against it he will never live it down. So he will be forced to stick to his promise.

So why are people worrying about it? It can't happen now.

Yes he can, simple.

They vote down any conservative queen speech, and the SNP, Plaid and Greens vote for a labour queen speech. Labour forms a minority government, whereby the SNP vote for all the policies they have common ground on such as tuition fee's, minimum wage etc. You can find them here:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/01/ten-bills-labour-government-election-queens-speech-miliband

If the SNP vote against these, labour can claim the SNP does not have a progressive agenda and therefore, labour wins the Scottish elections.

:biggrin:

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ridwan12

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Original post by Chakede

and if you vote labour or snp, then you will get the snp in uk government, and then a referendum which will most likely produce a split up of uk vote

If the SNP win the Scottish elections they will have a majority to pass another Scottish Independence Referendum Bill and most importantly a mandate.

Reply 55

KingStannis

Original post by SausageMan

Well obviously, some one has to develop it.

Just as some one had to develop the Internet, in order for us to have a conversation through an digital platform.

So considering it's just one persons opinion why do you think it has merit?

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Original post by KingStannis

So considering it's just one persons opinion why do you think it has merit?

How do you know that it's just one person running the site?

"The Politicalcompass.org website does not reveal the people behind it, beyond the fact that it seems to be based in the UK.^[14]^[15] According to The New York Times, the site is the work of Wayne Brittenden, a political journalist.^[2] According to Tom Utley, writing in The Daily Telegraph, the site is connected to One World Action, a charity founded by Glenys Kinnock, and to Kinnock herself.^[16] An early version of the site was published on One World Action's web server.^[17]"

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billydisco