Share miracles of the Quran

Original post by honey55497

dont say no to that what about other miracles such as embrology when science recently fiqured out and keith more who is niot a muslim have claimed the quran talking about embrology to be correct sorry for the typing error

Any actual rebuttal for the altitude point?

As for embryology, there is a lot wrong with the Qurans description of it. It says that the bones form and then are wrapped in flash, when actually bone and muscle form at the same time (and bones actually finish development later). Most of Moore's interpretation of Quranic embryology is seriously twisting the definitions of words, and much of the description in the Quran is basically copying greek philosophers.

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Original post by lucaf

Any actual rebuttal for the altitude point?

As for embryology, there is a lot wrong with the Qurans description of it. It says that the bones form and then are wrapped in flash, when actually bone and muscle form at the same time (and bones actually finish development later). Most of Moore's interpretation of Quranic embryology is seriously twisting the definitions of words, and much of the description in the Quran is basically copying greek philosophers.

u cant interpret this islamic sho,lars can becuase it would be lyk the bible where anyone interprets anything and misconcepts out of contedt quotes and clearly look at keith moore he clearly states its accurate

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BobbyFlay

Original post by honey55497

dont say no to that what about other miracles such as embrology when science recently fiqured out and keith more who is niot a muslim have claimed the quran talking about embrology to be correct sorry for the typing error

Here is an entire study that refutes this claim about the Quranic embryology 'miracle'.
TL;DR- The proponents of this argument purposely twist the arabic meaning of the words in the quran, one word in arabic would somehow turn into sentences. Here's a small excerpt:
"A single word such as “alaqah” (i.e blood clot) has a meaning that is now four sentences long. Words such as “qararin makeen”
or “place of rest” (i.e womb) now refer to various technical stages of developmental biology involving discrete terms like blastocyst and implantation."
This was in reference to Hamza Andreas Tzortzis.

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Original post by honey55497

u cant interpret this islamic sho,lars can becuase it would be lyk the bible where anyone interprets anything and misconcepts out of contedt quotes and clearly look at keith moore he clearly states its accurate

Islamic scholars are obviously biased into trying to make the Quran look true, and are not particularly knowledgeable on embryology. Ironically the only way to make the Qurans "miracles" seem true is to take them out of context and twist their definitions, as done by Keith Moore.

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Original post by lucaf

Islamic scholars are obviously biased into trying to make the Quran look true, and are not particularly knowledgeable on embryology. Ironically the only way to make the Qurans "miracles" seem true is to take them out of context and twist their definitions, as done by Keith Moore.

soory to say but what u have said is totally wrong keith moore did not do that mate hes a scientist why u gona rgue with someone that would degrade u and islamic scholars r not like that they would not do that as they have fear in god btw if u dnt mind me asking what do u follow another thing nything u wana knw about islam go look at dr zakir naik he will degrade u

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BobbyFlay

Original post by lucaf

Islamic scholars are obviously biased into trying to make the Quran look true, and are not particularly knowledgeable on embryology. Ironically the only way to make the Qurans "miracles" seem true is to take them out of context and twist their definitions, as done by Keith Moore.

This is almost always the case when Islamic scholars or Imams try to reconcile science and Islam. They even throw translation gymnastics out the window and simply lie in cases when they can't defend the Quranic verses.

As can be seen here. And before someone cries context, the exact context of this verse is about the story of Dhul-Qarnayn's journey, he ended up witnessing the sun setting in a muddy spring, literally setting in a muddy spring. The words used to describe 'setting' and 'muddy spring' are recurring in the Quran with the exact same meaning of the word, hence the split by scholars, meaning either this verse is wrong and not a literary miracle or the rest of the Quran is.

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Plantagenet Crown

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Original post by honey55497

soory to say but what u have said is totally wrong keith moore did not do that mate hes a scientist why u gona rgue with someone that would degrade u and islamic scholars r not like that they would not do that as they have fear in god btw if u dnt mind me asking what do u follow another thing nything u wana knw about islam go look at dr zakir naik he will degrade u

Quranic embryology is hopelessly wrong and Keith Moore said there was nothing miraculous about it when King Abdulazziz university stopped paying him :lol:

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Original post by honey55497

soory to say but what u have said is totally wrong keith moore did not do that mate hes a scientist why u gona rgue with someone that would degrade u and islamic scholars r not like that they would not do that as they have fear in god btw if u dnt mind me asking what do u follow another thing nything u wana knw about islam go look at dr zakir naik he will degrade u

He probably did it because he was in the employ of the King of Saudi Arabia; plenty of other scientists have called him out on it. The Qurans description only sounds anything like the actual process of embryology when interpreted and translated in a convoluted way that would only be done in hindsight while already knowing the process of embryology, and even then it is not particularly accurate.

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interact

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Original post by Hibzish

I saw this on another forum and thought I would share it

"Land" appears 13 times in the Qur'an
"Sea" appears 32 times.. 32+13=45!

13/45 = 28.89%
32/45 = 71.11%

The exact % of Land & Sea on Earth!

SubhanAllah share the miracles you know

Stupid troll, you've made me very angry

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Original post by Plantagenet Crown

Quranic embryology is hopelessly wrong and Keith Moore said there was nothing miraculous about it when King Abdulazziz university stopped paying him :lol:

listen u dnt try it u always talk no9ncsence and lyk causing fights amongst people cuz clearly ur wrong proove it about that

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MJlover

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I have some personal miracles actually, as a result of doing salaat/daily prayers and glorifying God

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Plantagenet Crown

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Original post by honey55497

listen u dnt try it u always talk no9ncsence and lyk causing fights amongst people cuz clearly ur wrong proove it about that

No, you're wrong and talking nonsense. In his latest edition of "Developing Human" out around 8 years ago he said Quranic embryology was erroneous.

The Quran contains no miracles, scientific, numerical or otherwise.

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Original post by Plantagenet Crown

No, you're wrong and talking nonsense. In his latest edition of "Developing Human" out around 8 years ago he said Quranic embryology was erroneous.

The Quran contains no miracles, scientific, numerical or otherwise.

if u tend to disagree in this go and check all the other ones ive listed above

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Plantagenet Crown

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honey5497

if u tend to disagree in this go and check all the other ones ive listed above

I have, still don't see any. And besides, all it takes is one error to prove the Quran isn't authored by an all-knowing God.

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Original post by honey55497

if u tend to disagree in this go and check all the other ones ive listed above

So people disprove two of your miracles and your defence is to tell them to go back to the list that you copy and pasted? Classy.

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RulesforRadicals

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You have to be a bit of a retard to claim that those ratios correspond to the surface of land and water on the Earth's surface

It changes with the sea level, which changes with climate :dunce:

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Illiberal Liberal

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dont cry about it mate

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