Stick to the deal, second referendum or no Brexit?

Original post by anythinggoeshe

you mean no deal.

No deal would involve building a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, otherwise you'd be violating international law (the WTO rules specifically). Building a hard border would not only increase tensions, but it would also violate section 10.2.(B) of the European Union Withdrawal Act that was enacted in June of 2018.
Also, customs delays would be massive. They were trying to build a lorry park on the M26 that gathered a lot of attention.
Also, a food supplies minister was appointed because there were fears of there being difficulty importing food, whatnot with not having any recognised regulation by any 3rd body.
Also, supplies are being stockpiled such as medicines and food, because there would be a lot of trouble bringing it in. 50% of the food that's consumed in the UK is imported.
And by the way, this is just the tip of the iceberg of what's to come with a no-deal brexit. So please, don't advocate for it. Even knowledgeable brexiteers know it's bad.

Health Secretary "Can't Guarantee" People Won't Die In No-Deal Brexit
The full horrific consequences of no deal

[video="youtube;Sx4AF-3Rd44"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4AF-3Rd44[/video]

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As for my view, well, Angela Merkel has said there will be “no question” of further Brexit negotiations if the deal struck by Theresa May is rejected, and since it is very likely that her deal is going to be voted down, the country will only be left with 2 options: Leave with no-deal or remain. Since I showed above that no-deal will be catastrophic, the only feasible option will be to remain.

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username1799249

Original post by hello_shawn

No Deal is what the majority of Leave would settle for. Those being the fed up working class who have no hope of achieving the same standard of living as the establishment.

I never really understood this argument, especially when so many of the working class you talk about indirectly rely on Europe for their livelihoods and more importantly, for the cheap imports on every day food and items we rely on. And all of the regional investment that the EU pours into working class areas.

It makes no sense. Hard Brexit will hit the lowest earners the most especially if the pound were to significantly devalue (which a hard Brexit would almost certainly do).

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ColinDent

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Original post by jason0597

As for my view, well, Angela Merkel has said there will be “no question” of further Brexit negotiations if the deal struck by Theresa May is rejected, and since it is very likely that her deal is going to be voted down, the country will only be left with 2 options: Leave with no-deal or remain. Since I showed above that no-deal will be catastrophic, the only feasible option will be to remain.

Given that choice definitely no deal me duck

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hello_shawn

As every day passes the EU becomes more like a country in its own right, with a single economic centre that everything else in the EU feeds off of. It doesn't have to take a genius to realise how this will fall on top of itself over time, especially with all the different languages and cultures involved.
So to those threatening economic disaster if we leave, is it worth tying ourselves to the economic disasters of Italy, Greece and Spain just to remain an economic "success"? Also you may think there is good intention spreading the money around like a good socialist does, but you're doing that by not allowing the member states, especially those in the Euro, to be competitive selling their own stuff. And eventually you make them dependent on aid so that you have more control over them. Welcome to the reality of socialism.

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username1799249

Original post by hello_shawn

Welcome to the reality of socialism.

I think you are getting socialism and collaboration mixed up. To understand what Europe is actually about, I think you need to read any book on the Second World War. What you have written is just Brexit dogma. Europe isn't getting more like one country. And if it is, then the same could be said of the whole world with major global brands on the the high street of every city from here to Timbuktu. Yes, some want closer cooperation, but similarly, many do not. The result is what we currently have. But you have to ask yourself the question - do you want to be an influencer or do you want to be dictated to? Because you ain't going to be the former if you ain't sitting at the table.

For all Britain's Greatness, we are still only a little island and that greatness continues to ebb as others, much bigger than ourselves rise.

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peregrine888

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Original post by XxAb

Intrigued to see people’s opinions as it is such a mix debate:
Remain with the deal, second referendum or no deal?

No deal. And no Theresa May, either.

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Original post by ColinDent

Given that choice definitely no deal me duck

Original post by peregrine888

No deal. And no Theresa May, either.

Did you even read my original post?

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fallen_acorns

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I don't wan to get to conspiratorial or anything..

but its wierd that just as the goverment are pushing through this deal - question time, the biggest political show of the week, features 2 business leaders who support the deal.

That might not sound unusual for anyone who doesn't watch each week. But its not common to have two different business figures on in one week, and especially not common to have two on with identical views on the Key issue.

Basically they sum up the position from business at the moment: we want it over with, no matter what the cost. This deal isn't a disaster, so just do it quickly so we can get on with business.

Its not a very useful view. Especially not for 2 guests to hold identically.

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username1799249

Original post by fallen_acorns

I don't wan to get to conspiratorial or anything..

but its wierd that just as the goverment are pushing through this deal - question time, the biggest political show of the week, features 2 business leaders who support the deal.

That might not sound unusual for anyone who doesn't watch each week. But its not common to have two different business figures on in one week, and especially not common to have two on with identical views on the Key issue.

Basically they sum up the position from business at the moment: we want it over with, no matter what the cost. This deal isn't a disaster, so just do it quickly so we can get on with business.

Its not a very useful view. Especially not for 2 guests to hold identically.

Have you not seen Jacob Reece Mogg, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Nigel Farage et al on the BBC over the last two years?

And I am sorry, but you don't want it over with whatever the cost. You don't even know what that means to you, your pocket or your life. Idiots like you are being saved from yourself by May.

Just how would you live if everything cost 30% more and you couldn't get a job because our economy had tanked? Whatever the cost... eejit!!!! Its the economy stupid!!

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hello_shawn

Lol, three countries tanked their economies while in the EU, and the richer countries had to bail them out. Socialism at its finest.

Plus the moment you insult average Joe is the moment you show your true colours... elitist.

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fallen_acorns

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Original post by ByEeek

Have you not seen Jacob Reece Mogg, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Nigel Farage et al on the BBC over the last two years?

And I am sorry, but you don't want it over with whatever the cost. You don't even know what that means to you, your pocket or your life. Idiots like you are being saved from yourself by May.

Just how would you live if everything cost 30% more and you couldn't get a job because our economy had tanked? Whatever the cost... eejit!!!! Its the economy stupid!!

next time try reading better.

you said:

"And I am sorry, but you don't want it over with whatever the cost. You don't even know what that means to you, your pocket or your life. Idiots like you are being saved from yourself by May."

1. I don't want it over at any cost - that was the position of the business leaders on the panel.
2. I never said I wanted it over in anyway shape or form. None of my post above mentioned my opinion of how it should end.

Cant you read?

I said:
" Basically they sum up the position from business at the moment: we want it over with, no matter what the cost....."
I even said:
"Its not a very useful view"

and then you come along saying " YOU IDIOT YOU WANT IT OVER WHATEVER THE COST!!!!"

Before you call someone an idiot you might actually want to read what they said. Or you'll end up making a **** of yourself.

No new vote.

If the deal gets rejected by Parliament, then no deal is perfectly fine. We walk away, put party politics aside and do what's in the interest of the UK. There's nothing that says we must have a deal. Would it be difficult? Yes. Would there be short-term disruption? Of course. But in the long run we would be fine. History isn't judged on weeks or months.

If opposition parties want to be taken seriously they should have produced credible alternatives over the last two years rather than saying 'general election now' (Labour), 'stop Brexit' (Lib Dem) or 'we want to keep everything pretty much the same as it is now' (SNP). Stop whinging from the sidelines and do something constructive.

There isn't going to be another referendum, so let's stop pretending it's an option.

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