Is Boris preparing to suspend British democracy?

If you want to live in a dictatorship, feel free to go and live in Saudi or Russia. Dictatorships are great as long as you either agree with or suck up to the dictator.

Boris suspending our democratically elected parliament is a very sad day for our democracy especially as many of those who voted to leave did so to be free of ehat the perveived to be a lack of democratic democracy from Europe.

That said, seeking legal advice is not the same as doing at this point.

It wasn't the result of a splendid democratic process. It was completely manipulated by a narrow slice of billionaire global finance capital interests and implemented by internal traitors like the Tory Right and the current PM, who lied and lied about our true interests.

There is a very strong argument that we have been lied to from the very moment we joined the EU.

Put simply if we had ever been told what the EU would be like Britain would never have joined.

The biggest lie in political history was that Europe would only have free trade. Do you simply turn the other cheek in the hope of progress?

I want to be in control of what we do and I don’t want to become a citizen of a European sham democracy.

For me Brexit is about the freedom to choose and democratically remove someone I don’t like. That option does not exist in the EU and if the EU does not want to change then it is time to leave.

There's some truth that British leaders at the time did not tell the whole truth to the public about the plans for the Common Market, but a lot of the stuff that really annoys people, like expansion into E. Europe and free movement of their people did not arise until long after we'd joined. The 'ever-closer union' thing was always around but it's only in the last 25 years that it became much more than a slogan. We agreed to that at Maastrict and Lisbon. Those were democratic decisions approved by our political leaders. There should though have been a referendum at that point, I agree with that view.

A leaked memo indicates that Boris has been seeking legal advice on suspending Parliament from 9 Sept for 5 weeks, to get through Brexit by executive Privy Council powers.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure

Not since the English Civil War has something like this been done.

If this happens, there will literally be no point in voting going forwards. An unelected Prime Minister chosen by a narrow cabal of activist right wing Torys and former UKIP members will be taking arrogant state decisions invoking the monarch and suppressing any debate.

If Boris does do this, the people will and must take to the streets.

There's some truth that British leaders at the time did not tell the whole truth to the public about the plans for the Common Market, but a lot of the stuff that really annoys people, like expansion into E. Europe and free movement of their people did not arise until long after we'd joined. The 'ever-closer union' thing was always around but it's only in the last 25 years that it became much more than a slogan. We agreed to that at Maastrict and Lisbon. Those were democratic decisions approved by our political leaders. There should though have been a referendum at that point, I agree with that view.

I agree Boris Johnson is unelected but he’s a thousand times more elected than the Eu commission

They'd never passed mate.

I have a friendly tenner on as a leaving on the 31st of October between me and my friend now, these bets on I have a history of losing.

To me I can't see myself losing, i just don't see how the remainers are going to stop it? I know the EU are being exceptionally disingenuous in saying that this is our last extension and we won't be granted another one and all that rubbish, because let's be honest the EU are completely and totally disingenuous that's one of the reasons why we better off away from these people. So I think the cards reside with the British parliamentarians because the EU are just desperate to keep as in.

Realistically how are they going to do it? mogg is the leader of the house, there isn't enough time for another General Election before the 31st of October, the law is in place for us to leave and if the British PM won't ask for an extension - the Queen won't ask for an extension she will never go against the people.

Time will tell will be interesting

His real plan is not hard to fathom when you follow his actions. It is simply to wait until he is attacked (via a MoNC or parliament amending the order paper to pass another extention) and then have an election in which he is able to claim that his opponents in parliament are the enemies of the people (a rallying cry to Brx Party supporters that he needs).

That right now is where my money would be if i was more confident in the situation.

It's possible that waving the flag of prorogement is a sort of easing of the path to slightly less drastic measures which will then seem acceptable - just the sort of thing that Mr Cummings would come up with.

Yes, it's clear that Boris has always been seeking an early election since he took office and so that remains the overarching plan. Corbyn remains a gift to the Tories and the Tory lead in the polls has been pretty consistent. The LibDems would take some more seats back in SW Britain, but Lab will lose more to the Tories in the Midlands and North. Lab may get back a few more in Strathclyde from the SNP, whose existence looks increasingly meaningless.

I don't think a no confidence motion would succeed but I do think a further extension will happen almost regardless of the political games of the next 6 weeks.

Parliament is clearly defying the wish of the people and have entered the realm of treason in my opinion.

Legally speaking there is time for a general election.

Parliament rises on Friday 13th again so if one is called between 3rd-13th only 5 weeks, 4 days is required from the motion passing.

How did you come to that dubious conclusion?

Perhaps parliament is representing the views of ALL 70 million Britons rather than just the 17 million who voted to leave? Even those who voted to leave it is clear they did so with a wide variety of outcomes in mind, not just one.

Democracy has always been a compromise. Doing away with parliament to appease those who feel they were victorious in a vote that was flawed by misinformation and propoganda on all sides is as anti- democratic as it gets.

But that said, I fear this is soon to become less about Europe and more about Ireland. It feels like the troubles may soon be on us again if we keep going as we are.

The troubles wont be upon us and any terrorist who tries to start another conflict will be crushed.

It is interesting that you are talking about compromise since MPs are trying to derail Brexit. I wonder what would have happened, if it was a Remain vote and MPs were trying to force Brexit. People would have gone crazy.

The fundamental issue with Parliament is that we have some people who lied and stood on manifestos that they did not believe in and those who promised to deliver Brexit and quickly changed their minds once they got elected. Look at folks like Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke etc. They know that they would be obliterated and that is why they are scared of an election.

Finally, Parliament is not representing the views of 70
million people but of the 15 or so million who voted to remain. 70 million people did not vote, so we cannot assume what their position on Brexit would be.