Would you vote conservative?

I do not deny that for a moment, However, the key is what I said about a variety of factors.

If you want to talk about knock on effects you can also look at the continuing effects of the financial crisis and Bordon Brown's policies, the debt built up under labour, the introduction of university fees, by labour, etc, etc.

It is useless playing the blame game for many (though by no means all) things because each party has done good things and bad things at various points in time.

Yeah, but let's just spend as much as we like on the NHS and run the economy into the ground. Even if the top 10% of the country paid 90% tax and the major businesses paid say, 60% with no loopholes, it would still not be enough. The NHS cannot survive and it must change to a more affordable system. It is a great idea but there is a reason no on else has coppied it exactly.

A German, French, Australian, or Japanese system would be better overall I think.

The cause of the Debt was an International Financial Crisis started by Bankers in America trading in packaged investments with v. high risk. ( Loans/ mortgages to people who couldn't pay them off - see Fanny Mae ) our banks buying them without doing due diligence to discover what was hidden within them.

Gordon Brown decided if ordinary people in this country were not to lose their lifetime savings as our Banks went bankrupt the Government would have to provide the money to the banks to protect their customers.

Far from Labour being irresponsible, they were protecting us all.

Having a public health service and not running the economy into the ground are not mutually exclusive.

Yes the NHS has problems and desperately needs funding. However I am very very skeptical of your tax statement, since huge multinational companies such as Apple and Amazon technically pay all their tax, but effectively they do not pay the required corporation tax, since there are loopholes.

So we should have let it be tripple what it is just so no cuts would be necesary? How silly.

As for comparing rates of spending, we know that the conservatives have always panned to spend less than labour and still plan to do so. It is hardly a moot point. Especially with regards to the next parliament.

The cause of the financial crisis was exacerbated by labour policies.

Also, most of the decision making regarding the bailout was made within the treasury, not by Gordon Brown himself. I agree that it was absolutely necessary. That was not what I was thinking of precisely.

hmmmm the Chief Rabbi is not convinced.

You are seeing a conspiracy where there is none.

Also, yes we should close some loopholes to extract more tax but not too much.

Which labour policies?

But many in the Jewish community are. Evidenced by the collapse of the circulation of the right wing Jewish Chronicle ( off shoot of the US owned Kessler Foundation ) and it's impending bankruptcy since it decided to attack him. Experience has taught them that Jeremy Corbyn is on their side.

But many in the Jewish community are. Evidenced by the collapse of the circulation of the right wing Jewish Chronicle ( off shoot of the US owned Kessler Foundation ) and it's impending bankruptcy since it decided to attack him. Experience has taught them that Jeremy Corbyn is on their side.

You are seeing a conspiracy where there is none.

Also, yes we should close some loopholes to extract more tax but not too much.

Agreed. And therein lies the million dollar question. Why do people vote as they do? I rather imagine it boils down to brand and a perception that the other lot will make a mess of things. I am dreading the next Tory government. Leaving the EU is just the start of Brexit, not the end and it is clear the US are kicking their lips in anticipation of raping us for our highly prized NHS contracts. Dark days are ahead.

Simply.. Labour are crap with money. They blow it all on nationalisation or pointless wars, always have! Tories are good with money but I cannot bring myself to vote for the **** who caused this tanker crash in the first place. Next question?

'Labour .. crap with money' The evidence points to the opposite.

Nationalisation btw of eg the railways cost nothing. You just wait for the licences to runout. Then the profits come into Government coffers instead of into private hands. (With privatisation we have one of the most expensive rail systems in Europe.) Win win.

it is never a good idea for monopolies like Water/ Royal Mail ( Mrs Thatcher was against it) to be in private hands and run for private profit. The companies involved are always going to make the biggest profits they can, ripping off their customers, paying their share holders with it instead of investing hence the dire situation we have now. Again nationalisation = the country's gain.

'Labour .. crap with money' The evidence points to the opposite.

Nationalisation btw of eg the railways cost nothing. You just wait for the licences to runout. Then the profits come into Government coffers instead of into private hands. (With privatisation we have one of the most expensive rail systems in Europe.) Win win.

it is never a good idea for monopolies like Water/ Royal Mail ( Mrs Thatcher was against it) to be in private hands and run for private profit. The companies involved are always going to make the biggest profits they can, ripping off their customers, paying their share holders with it instead of investing hence the dire situation we have now. Again nationalisation = the country's gain.