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Original post by claireestelle
i dont feel it will as nhs bursaries have always been pretty different rules, at least i dont feel they will change nhs bursaries quite as drastically if they do or we really will be like slave labour on placement.
To get the max nhs grant now,you have to have an income below 24,200 anyway so although yes if they made it a loans only systems above 25k for nursing students, they would certainly have more debt but might even get more cash as maintenance on a non nhs system than they do currently.


http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice/specialisms/educators/reform-of-student-nurse-funding-at-centre-of-row/5087439.article?blocktitle=Most-popular&contentID=-1

While I am unsure of how accurate this report is, I do believe they will eventually turn to being fully funded by loans rather than offering the NHS bursaries. It would be a really poor move on the governments part, as I can only imagine it would drastically reduce the number of students going into nursing.
Original post by Absorbaloff
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice/specialisms/educators/reform-of-student-nurse-funding-at-centre-of-row/5087439.article?blocktitle=Most-popular&contentID=-1

While I am unsure of how accurate this report is, I do believe they will eventually turn to being fully funded by loans rather than offering the NHS bursaries. It would be a really poor move on the governments part, as I can only imagine it would drastically reduce the number of students going into nursing.


I was about to bring up that story as well, that nature of how we fund nurse training has been debated since nurses existed, just look at the amount of crap there is about university training and the "too posh to wash" crap that we have to endure constantly from people who've never worked on a ward or not set off on one since the 60s.

It would be interesting to see how many people would still consider nursing as a career if they had to self fund through training.
Original post by Absorbaloff
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice/specialisms/educators/reform-of-student-nurse-funding-at-centre-of-row/5087439.article?blocktitle=Most-popular&contentID=-1

While I am unsure of how accurate this report is, I do believe they will eventually turn to being fully funded by loans rather than offering the NHS bursaries. It would be a really poor move on the governments part, as I can only imagine it would drastically reduce the number of students going into nursing.


Original post by moonkatt
I was about to bring up that story as well, that nature of how we fund nurse training has been debated since nurses existed, just look at the amount of crap there is about university training and the "too posh to wash" crap that we have to endure constantly from people who've never worked on a ward or not set off on one since the 60s.

It would be interesting to see how many people would still consider nursing as a career if they had to self fund through training.


As long as the second degree rule still allowed nursing to be funded, i would have definitely been willing to self fund,hell i d max out my overdraft if i had to. However, i agree that especially student with families or mortgage would certainly be deterred if they removed nhs bursaries.

I ll happily argue with a nurse on the benefits of university training, why we should not have university training especially as every other health profession does so why should it be any different for nursing.
Original post by moonkatt
I was about to bring up that story as well, that nature of how we fund nurse training has been debated since nurses existed, just look at the amount of crap there is about university training and the "too posh to wash" crap that we have to endure constantly from people who've never worked on a ward or not set off on one since the 60s.

It would be interesting to see how many people would still consider nursing as a career if they had to self fund through training.


The government is very disconnected from nursing education. I can't imagine they will go back to ye olde training as that would be a logistical nightmare and while I do understand the costs of nurse education is high what other alternative is there? There needs to be better funding for students. I have worked so had to get this stage and it has been a financial nightmare the whole three years, I certainly would not want to have a £35,000+ debt hanging around my neck
Original post by Absorbaloff
The government is very disconnected from nursing education. I can't imagine they will go back to ye olde training as that would be a logistical nightmare and while I do understand the costs of nurse education is high what other alternative is there? There needs to be better funding for students. I have worked so had to get this stage and it has been a financial nightmare the whole three years, I certainly would not want to have a £35,000+ debt hanging around my neck


If they did change the system, i dont think any band 5 or even 6 nurses would ever be able to pay the debt with interest on top back. Its going to take me 20 years to pay mine off, including the 2 years worth of debt from my hnd though.
The government don't have a clue about nurse education, they didn't really take any notice of Lord Willis' report on pre reg education and instead decided to dream up some stuff based on public misconceptions about the university training of nurses and blame it on mid staffs even though no such recommendations were made in the Francis report.

With regards to funding pre reg courses, I don't know how that will work in the future, as we need nurses we need to make sure that training as a nurse is an attractive enough opportunity for people to want to do.
Original post by moonkatt
The government don't have a clue about nurse education, they didn't really take any notice of Lord Willis' report on pre reg education and instead decided to dream up some stuff based on public misconceptions about the university training of nurses and blame it on mid staffs even though no such recommendations were made in the Francis report.


PRSOM
Hey guys, sorry to get off topic, I'm starting the Pg Dip in September and does anyone know the story with working tax credits and the bursary? I'm a single mum of two smallies and I will continue to work 16 hours a week during training as the bursary is not enough to look after myself let alone a family of three. Do I need to call tax credits and tell them I'm on bursary? Will it make a difference?
Original post by pollyabu
Hey guys, sorry to get off topic, I'm starting the Pg Dip in September and does anyone know the story with working tax credits and the bursary? I'm a single mum of two smallies and I will continue to work 16 hours a week during training as the bursary is not enough to look after myself let alone a family of three. Do I need to call tax credits and tell them I'm on bursary? Will it make a difference?


The bursary is not an income as such so you don't have to declare it. I know many people who claim tax credits etc and they get their basic bursary plus a little extra as they have dependents. Contact the bursary department to see what you're entitled to.
You will probably still need to work full time but don't worry about it, many people do and they have all survived and come out the other end! It's hard work but it is doable!

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hey everybody:smile:
I ve been wondering as part of occupational health whether or not flu jabs are given?
I m apparently in a risk group being asthmatic so intend on getting a flu jab prior to my first placement anyway but would be good if occupational health offered them.
Original post by claireestelle
hey everybody:smile:
I ve been wondering as part of occupational health whether or not flu jabs are given?
I m apparently in a risk group being asthmatic so intend on getting a flu jab prior to my first placement anyway but would be good if occupational health offered them.


They weren't routine at my university.
Original post by Absorbaloff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-33444557

I'm not really sure if this will affect NHS bursaries, but I have a feeling it might.


I don't think it will. Because student nurses are funded by the NHS, we are only eligible for the maintenance loan anyway, and not the grant (As far as I'm aware - someone please correct me if I'm wrong) so taking this away won't make any difference to us at all.
Original post by claireestelle
hey everybody:smile:
I ve been wondering as part of occupational health whether or not flu jabs are given?
I m apparently in a risk group being asthmatic so intend on getting a flu jab prior to my first placement anyway but would be good if occupational health offered them.


I'm asthmatic... Occy Health gave me mine in first year, but then not in second or third??? Still to this day don't know why, and didn't have the time nor energy to challenge it....
Original post by claireestelle
hey everybody:smile:
I ve been wondering as part of occupational health whether or not flu jabs are given?
I m apparently in a risk group being asthmatic so intend on getting a flu jab prior to my first placement anyway but would be good if occupational health offered them.


I got mine on placement in second and third year. You can get yours from GP though as I doubt you'd get it from OH.
Original post by moonkatt
They weren't routine at my university.


thanks moonkatt:smile: in that case, hopefully the gp flu clinic doesn't clash with lectures otherwise i ll get it done in my local chemist.
Original post by claireestelle
PRSOM


I work for my university on a regular basis with students who are interested in applying to nursing... I agreed with the majority of what he said, although I hate to say that I think he completely missed the point of why nurse education isn't working....
Original post by PaediatricStN
I'm asthmatic... Occy Health gave me mine in first year, but then not in second or third??? Still to this day don't know why, and didn't have the time nor energy to challenge it....


I was offered one by the local gp for the first time before christmas, since my asthma diagnosis 15 years ago so did wonder whether it varies year to year whether they provide them to mild asthmatics. After a bout of swine flu in 2010, i ve thought it would probably be an idea to start getting them.
Original post by amyc123
I got mine on placement in second and third year. You can get yours from GP though as I doubt you'd get it from OH.


thanks amy:smile: I m hoping to avoid using my gps flu clinic if i can, its a university gp so a doctor isnt always there for the whole of the day(mostly you can only get a gp appointment if you need a referral or any medications for mental health conditions) , however i presume one of the 3 practice nurses might be able to provide them if i cant see the gp.
Original post by claireestelle
thanks amy:smile: I m hoping to avoid using my gps flu clinic if i can, its a university gp so a doctor isnt always there for the whole of the day(mostly you can only get a gp appointment if you need a referral or any medications for mental health conditions) , however i presume one of the 3 practice nurses might be able to provide them if i cant see the gp.


Practice nurses will do flu shots anyway, not your GP.
Original post by PaediatricStN
I work for my university on a regular basis with students who are interested in applying to nursing... I agreed with the majority of what he said, although I hate to say that I think he completely missed the point of why nurse education isn't working....


Are you on about my comment? I've not really mentioned about nurse education not working, nor do I believe that it is the case either.

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