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Original post by billydisco
Not equal distribution of workload then? Funny that..... :wink:


Sure, that comes under 'responsibilities'.
Original post by billydisco
They'll tell you its not overly left-wing, but TSR is the only place I have ever seen people declare that a person on benefits has the right to create a family funded by the taxpayer.


The problem here is that you're approaching the issue of societal arrangements as they stand normatively and plenty of us on the left don't see capitalism normatively. I appreciate that you aren't even likely to look up the word 'normatively' let alone make an attempt to understand the context in which it's being applied here, but it might just otherwise enlighten you as to why leftists take up positions which are no-doubt currently so perplexing to you.
Original post by Axiomasher
Partly because the US government is under the strong sway of giant corporate lobbying, including oil corps. There's also a long-term strategic aim of ensuring some degree of control/influence over countries which have significant oil reserves. Why do you think the American call for democracy and freedom never applies to Saudi Arabia? Don't be so fracking naive.


It's almost as if the oil companies had an oil exec in the white house............

Original post by DaveSmith99
It's almost as if the oil companies had an oil exec in the white house............



And it's not even as if much digging is needed to find these connections, they are right there staring us in the face, from the Whitehouse.
The earth has finite resources- yes? So what happens when we have over-population due to propping up the weak?
Original post by anarchism101
Yeah, this has got to be the biggest non sequitur I've ever seen. Can you actually provide some sort of explanation as to how SureStart supposedly caused the financial crisis?


Billydisco
caused by a Labour Government who decided they would spend money on the Credit card on things like SureStart


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Original post by The Socktor
Er... we're a social species.

So are Lions..... they live in packs. The weak are still weeded out.
Original post by Axiomasher
The problem here is that you're approaching the issue of societal arrangements as they stand normatively and plenty of us on the left don't see capitalism normatively.

Should people on benefits be allowed to create families paid for by the taxpayer- yes or no?

Original post by Axiomasher
I appreciate that you aren't even likely to look up the word 'normatively' let alone make an attempt to understand the context in which it's being applied here, but it might just otherwise enlighten you as to why leftists take up positions which are no-doubt currently so perplexing to you.

Because leftists are idealists, naive and do not understand life IS about survival of the fittest. You think when oil runs out (and assuming we don't have a substitute) oil will be shared out evenly? Please tell me, do you?
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Original post by olmyster911
I've only been on TSR for a number of weeks, however, I have noticed that the majority of users are left wing voters. I am not. I would like to know the main reasons why someone who would identify themselves as left wing, or a labour voter, are inclined to be that way and believe in those ideas.


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in terms of economics I am a bit.

Put it this way, why the hell should people who got firsts at top tier universities have to do unpaid intern ships just to get a footing into the very beginnings of a career? It's simultaneously middle class slavery and also a massive ceiling on top of the poor, who can't fund themselves to do it.
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Original post by billydisco
So are Lions..... they live in packs. The weak are still weeded out.


Let me know when you see lions building civilisations.
Original post by billydisco
So are Lions..... they live in packs. The weak are still weeded out.


When moving into a new pride, male lions kill and eat the offspring fathered by previous males in the pack, provided they are young enough to kill without serious risk of injury. Your lesson for today? Every species, including every social species, have their own unique behavioural patterns the result of which is that comparisons for sociological or political ends are meaningless. Our evolution as a social species, however, has been one in which we've spent 99% of our existence living as mutually supportive hunter-gatherer communities.
Original post by billydisco
Should people on benefits be allowed to create families paid for by the taxpayer- yes or no?...


If you had even tried to understand my point about your normative approach to capitalism you would know such a question was moot. Or is 'moot' another word you won't be looking up?
Original post by billydisco
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That's interesting, so you attribute the way debt ballooned more to sure start than you do say the massive explosion of debt under Thatcher when she left scores of people unemployed by replacing the manufacturing industry with an unregulated financial one?

Original post by Axiomasher
And it's not even as if much digging is needed to find these connections, they are right there staring us in the face, from the Whitehouse.


Eisenhower broadcasted an explicit warning about it on national television back in the 1950's. It's not been a secret for ages.
Moreover, social Darwinism, which is what most of these right-wingers are advocating (thought they often aren't familiar with the term) is hardly applicable to the people they defend; it is the poor who are more likely to show the necessary physical and mental toughness to beat the life out of the pampered wealthy in a truly 'Darwinian struggle'. After all, shotguns, electric-fences and law-courts don't exist 'in nature'. Such social-Darwinists have to indulge in double-speak to get around that pretty epic contradiction.
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Original post by Axiomasher
When moving into a new pride, male lions kill and eat the offspring fathered by previous males in the pack, provided they are young enough to kill without serious risk of injury. Your lesson for today? Every species, including every social species, have their own unique behavioural patterns the result of which is that comparisons for sociological or political ends are meaningless. Our evolution as a social species, however, has been one in which we've spent 99% of our existence living as mutually supportive hunter-gatherer communities.


Put it better, I could not have.
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Original post by billydisco
Wouldn't that be survival of the weakest? Not very productive for the human race?

The "state" doesn't exist. You mean its the job of taxpayers to ensure their citizens have a good quality of life- even those who don't want to work?


No. "survival of the weakest" implies that the "fittest" will die out. He is requesting the "survival" of everyone.

Original post by billydisco
1) Norway, Netherlands and Sweden are not the most developed.
2) Norway and Australia have raw materials, big-time
3) Germany has a weak currency, great for exports and has the tripartite education system (the thing Labour got rid of in this country..... a right-wing idea)

You meant to say:

There's a reason why North Korea has the world's weakest economy and why USSR and China changed to right-wing policies? :wink:


Top 5 countries by HDI: Norway, Australia, US, Netherlands, Germany - https://data.undp.org/dataset/Table-1-Human-Development-Index-and-its-components/wxub-qc5k

Growth Development btw. See Bangladesh vs India.

The euro is a floating currency just like the USD and GBP. The ECB (not germany) hasnt fixed the euro at a low price.

I believe that the almost complete abolition of the grammars was a travesty. On that note, being left wing does not mean I fail to see the merit in "right wing" policies or that I vehemently oppose all "right wing" policies. I support policies that improve social mobility and I personally beleive that the grammars acheived this.

North Korea is governed by a hereditary dictatorship, hardly a paragon of left wing politics.

Original post by billydisco

Socialism contradicts how life works. Life is about survival of the fittest and socialism keeps the weak around.


I think that you're trying to reference evolution here. If you are, then you've greatly misunderstood the concept of natural selection. "Survival of the fittest" natural selection and was not a phrase that Darwin coined. Humanity has proved to be successful because of its great ability to cooperate.

Original post by billydisco
Define social equality?


I'd personally describe it as a state when everyone has equal civil rights and an equality of opportunity

Original post by billydisco
The global financial crisis was caused by left-wing policies in the US forcing banks to lend to poor people, hence subprime mortgages


What?


Original post by billydisco
The UK financial crisis was caused by a Labour Government who decided they would spend money on the Credit card on things like SureStart- teaching teenage mothers (who they induced through the benefits system) how to look after their babies. Giving them a free flat and £20k a year wasn't enough for the mothers, they needed the parental advice too.......


The Conservatives were promising just a year before the crisis began that they would match Labour's spending and that “Total government spending will rise by 2 per cent a year in real terms, from £616 billion next year to £674 billion in the year 2010/11" and also that "under a Conservative government, there will be real increases in spending on public services, year after year”.
From that well known leftist newspaper, The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562023/Tories-vow-to-match-Labour-spending.html

Yes Labour was wrong to overspend but its a bit harsh to criticise them when their opponents would do the same thing.

Original post by billydisco
What has Cameron done to be a toff?

The problem with Labour supporters (and please read this) is that 90% of them aren't supporters of Labour. They are anti-Conservative supporters. I'll say this again, the majority of Labour voters do not support the Labour party- they are simply against the Conservatives.

Says a lot about a party when even their own voters don't actually support them.....


This problem swings both ways, is due to tactical voting, and is a symptom of the FPTP voting system in this country.

Original post by billydisco
The earth has finite resources- yes? So what happens when we have over-population due to propping up the weak?


Non sequitur


Original post by billydisco
Because leftists are idealists, naive and do not understand life IS about survival of the fittest. You think when oil runs out (and assuming we don't have a substitute) oil will be shared out evenly? Please tell me, do you?


Quite a large and false assumption
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