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Original post by pandoramonkey
In Islam it isnt forbidden to have feelings for someone.
Obviously everyone at some point will, its just life. What it says in the Quran is to get married asap to stay away from haraam ( the forbidden) eg. intimacy
I mean if you think to yourself do I really want to the marry the person? and youre like naaaaa, then what is the point even being in a relationship, its just extra haraamness for no reason..


You can't marry straight away without the foundations in place. You've got try before you buy. Test the relationship, gain experience, go through good times, go through bad times and when the time is right, then decide as to whether or not this person deserves something as serious as "marriage".
I agree with you, I think as long as you resist the temptations and have good intentions its alright but then again im not the judge of that.
Original post by porn induced coma

Slavery: Chapter 4 (25) And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls.


Yh that doesn't mean they can rape them... both parties have to agree for marriage to be valid even slaves.

Original post by porn induced coma

The rape of slaves: Chapter 4 (24) And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess.


Because it is permissible to have sex with slave women/prisoners of war.

Marital rape: Chapter 2 (223) Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish.

There is also an al-Bukhari hadith that states that a woman who refuses her husband is cursed until the sun rises....unacceptable, no? And religious coercion should be classed as rape.

You left out "and make an introduction for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers. "
This is what the prophet said this regarding approaching wives:

Prophet (peace be upon him) when he said, “Three things fall under unkindness and one of them is when the man engages in sexual act with his wife without sending a messenger: humor and kisses. No one should directly fall on his wife like one buffalo does to another”

As you can see rape is the oppisite of what the prophet has said men should approach their wives. One ambiguous ayah or a clear hadith...

Original post by porn induced coma

Domestic abuse: Chapter 4 (34) But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them.

"The Arabic word that has often been translated as “beat her” also has many other meanings, such as “leave her.” Scholars who choose the translation of “beat” emphasize that it is symbolic and can leave no mark or injury. These scholars suggest that the husband might use the equivalent of a tissue or blade of grass to make his point."

"The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English."

For example "daraba" in 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meanw "give an example".

An example where quran forbids hitting:

"...But do not take them back to hurt them,..."2:231


Original post by porn induced coma

Paedophilia: Chapter 65 (4) And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth.

Discussing the waiting period between divorce and remarriage. And of course we know how old Muhammad's favourite wife was the first time he raped her. And yes, he did rape her, because children cannot consent.


Yet their is no proof she was a child, there is proof that she was much older than has been claimed. One hadith whose source is an unreliable one is not fact!.

I think the condition is known as primary amenorrhoea

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Periods-absent/Pages/Introduction.aspx

"Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them"

Age of marriage is linked to sound judgement here. You can't expect a child to have sound judgement now?.

On a linguistic level:

A girl starts out being a child طفلة. This is further proven in Verses 22:5 and 40:67:

ثم يخرجكم طفلا ثم لتبلغوا اشدكم : as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength in english.

Then she becomes a fataat فتاة , which is what فتياتكم (your young ladies) is derived from in Verse 4:25.

من فتياتكم المؤمنات:they may wed believing girls



There is a clear distinction between child and girl.... طفلة or child was never used in regards to marriage.
Original post by Anonymous
All nonsense. The concept of slavery in of it self is cruel and no human being should be treated as the property of another human. Slaves do not have free will, they are disadvantage with limited rights. If you wish to talk/respond about islamic slavery, please post here so as to not divert from this thread -
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3125275 -

Slaves cannot consent to sex properly, it is rape. How would muslims feel if americans captured muslim women as concubines.


1) Slavery is only cannot occur under this day and age in Islam
2)It really isn't slavery, slavery has the connotations of being over worked, whipped, raped etc. Islam prevented this, and is the only religion to do so. All other religions participated in typical slavery, islam reformed it.
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Original post by RBalboa
No , i understand and do care that i am sinning, but you cant control your heart and the way it feels for other people.Like the guy i am with now, i cant help my feelings for him, i love him so much because he cares and understands me and its vice-versa. It depends on the guy you like.


Possibly the most realist comment iv seen in a loong time, couldn't have phrased it any other way

made my day :wink:
Original post by Anonymous
Sis, it's hard for you to see at your age but Islam is a protection for us women, you are honoured and protected by not engaging in haram relationships. Be very careful with making decisions on relationships because it does affect your future, and of course you must take into consideration your parents aswell. I strongly advise you to focus on your studies atm, relationships should be the last thing on your mind now :smile: and know that iA, you can engage in a beautiful and halal relationship (marriage) when you're responsible and ready


She might be responsible and ready already.

There's more to life than just studying, studying should be done because you love to do it and learn, not as a way to say e.g. "keep focused".

One can dream
I'm Muslim and I have a boyfriend whose not of the same religion or culture as me. It took me a really long time to follow my feelings because of religion (and also he's a year younger than me - which I usually found gross, but then he happened lol). But what pushed me towards dating my him is that I met him during a time I thought I was depressed, and without him I know I wouldn't be happy right now because he's always something I look forward to - and no one can make me smile the way he does by just being there. He motivates me to do better in school, and respects my religious beliefs.

Another thing, is that times are really changing. Divorce rates are so high now, and a common reason people divorce is due to people not knowing each other well enough before getting married. Having said that, I'd never marry someone I don't know well. My mum's on her 3rd husband now because she's always been rushed into marriage as she wasn't allowed to date. So wouldn't it be better to find that one person and stick with them because you know them well enough to know they're right for you? Of course there are those who marry without dating and never divorce, but look at the percentage of such couples before you try to rebut my point.

I honestly think that in this modern day and in this society, it's almost impossible to adhere to SOME Islamic laws. For example, it's said that women can't travel alone without men, even if it's just a car ride. But imagine a working class family where the husband and wife work in different places. It would be impossible for them to go everywhere together... so clearly some things must not be as much set in stone as they were centuries ago.

Please don't come at me with criticism, because I know what I'm doing isn't very halal. But it's not completely haram as we already agreed that we wouldn't have sex until marriage, and he's considering converting as his sisters are Muslim converts. I still love my religion very much, and I also love my boyfriend.

So what I'm trying to say is: adhere to your religion, but also consider your happiness too. If you have a feeling, it must be for a reason, and suppressing those reasons will only make them worse in the end. If you do decide to date him, don't go too far with your relationship - as in don't be anymore intimate than hugging/kissing. Hopefully Allah will understand that you really like him and plan on actually going places with him, rather than a quick one night stand.

Hope this makes you feel a bit better! :smile:
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Original post by Anonymous
Read the previous posts, islam transcends time, the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) sanctioned slavery due to certain conditions that may arise, which may require (islamic concept) of slavery. The Prophet (pbuh) is a role model for all times, his actions, his beliefs, his views, his rulings are valid for all times. You cannot dismiss the Prophet (pbuh) and his views, actions and rulings as a "product of his time". He and his actions transcend time.

But he was human. And humans have flaws and sin as well.
I'm not going to address all of this because it is plain apologetics, and it's been done.

Original post by ridwan12
Yh that doesn't mean they can rape them... both parties have to agree for marriage to be valid even slaves.



Because it is permissible to have sex with slave women/prisoners of war.


Slaves cannot consent, any more than children can. They are property, they have no rights. It's like saying a chair has rights, or a map, or a shovel, or a ski mask. Slaves are property.

You left out "and make an introduction for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers. "
This is what the prophet said this regarding approaching wives:

Prophet (peace be upon him) when he said, “Three things fall under unkindness and one of them is when the man engages in sexual act with his wife without sending a messenger: humor and kisses. No one should directly fall on his wife like one buffalo does to another”

As you can see rape is the oppisite of what the prophet has said men should approach their wives. One ambiguous ayah or a clear hadith...


This proves nothing. A man sends a messenger, humour and kisses and can therefore have sex with his wife in any way he wants, whether or not the messenger, humour and kisses have resulted in her wanting to have sex. That is clearly the message. All it is is preamble to allowing marital rape. It's the equivalent of 'spit on it before you stick it in'.

"The Arabic word that has often been translated as “beat her” also has many other meanings, such as “leave her.” Scholars who choose the translation of “beat” emphasize that it is symbolic and can leave no mark or injury. These scholars suggest that the husband might use the equivalent of a tissue or blade of grass to make his point."

"The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English."

For example "daraba" in 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meanw "give an example".

An example where quran forbids hitting:

"...But do not take them back to hurt them,..."2:231



Been done: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3135553

Yet their is no proof she was a child, there is proof that she was much older than has been claimed. One hadith whose source is an unreliable one is not fact!.

I think the condition is known as primary amenorrhoea

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Periods-absent/Pages/Introduction.aspx

"Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them"

Age of marriage is linked to sound judgement here. You can't expect a child to have sound judgement now?.

On a linguistic level:

A girl starts out being a child طفلة. This is further proven in Verses 22:5 and 40:67:

ثم يخرجكم طفلا ثم لتبلغوا اشدكم : as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength in english.

Then she becomes a fataat فتاة , which is what فتياتكم (your young ladies) is derived from in Verse 4:25.

من فتياتكم المؤمنات:they may wed believing girls



There is a clear distinction between child and girl.... طفلة or child was never used in regards to marriage.


There are plenty of hadiths that say just that. You may not like them (you are shi'a, yes?) but they are there, and they are held up by the majority muslim community to be authentic. And an 8 year old girl is still a child. What I am saying is: it states no age. That is a problem.


It's all about context. Women outnumbered men, men where main providers so were encouraged to marry widows.... It isn't about sex.



But you see the problem then, don't you? This timeless book is allowing stuff that was only appropriate then! The world population is roughly even these days, slightly more men than women actually, so....weird. Did allah not know that that was going to happen?

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-gender-age.php

And it is about sex. That's why you have some men now who are engaging in polygamy, even in this country.


Because if a man divorces a women their is a three month waiting period whereby the couple can get back together... she gets to keep his dowry money so..


Does not matter, your god has made it considerably harder for a woman to seek release from an unhappy union, whereas a man can decide he doesn't want his wife anymore and all he needs are two mates. I see you have conveniently sidestepped the 'deficient in mind' thing. And the hell thing. What about the 'unclean' thing. Women are 'unclean' when they menstruate. Something that it is a vital part of the childbearing cycle, something that is vital to the very continuation of existence! So why aren't menstruating muslim women allowed to pray, or touch the Quran? Why are they still considered 'unclean'?

Yh that's why their is Islam anyway, because Christians pick and choose what they want.... it's a sham. You can't change the word of God....

Reason why you hardly see atheist going after Christianity....

The bible has hundreds of times worse things than you claim is in the qur'an....


Christianity has gone through a little something called 'enlightenment'. It is better for it. Do you know much about Deuteronomy? You should read it before you say Christianity should go back to exactly what is written in the Bible. That is a daft thing to even consider.
Reply 229
Original post by utanawah
I'm Muslim and I have a boyfriend whose not of the same religion or culture as me. It took me a really long time to follow my feelings because of religion (and also he's a year younger than me - which I usually found gross, but then he happened lol). But what pushed me towards dating my him is that I met him during a time I thought I was depressed, and without him I know I wouldn't be happy right now because he's always something I look forward to - and no one can make me smile the way he does by just being there. He motivates me to do better in school, and respects my religious beliefs.

Another thing, is that times are really changing. Divorce rates are so high now, and a common reason people divorce is due to people not knowing each other well enough before getting married. Having said that, I'd never marry someone I don't know well. My mum's on her 3rd husband now because she's always been rushed into marriage as she wasn't allowed to date. So wouldn't it be better to find that one person and stick with them because you know them well enough to know they're right for you? Of course there are those who marry without dating and never divorce, but look at the percentage of such couples before you try to rebut my point.

I honestly think that in this modern day and in this society, it's almost impossible to adhere to SOME Islamic laws. For example, it's said that women can't travel alone without men, even if it's just a car ride. But imagine a working class family where the husband and wife work in different places. It would be impossible for them to go everywhere together... so clearly some things must not be as much set in stone as they were centuries ago.

Please don't come at me with criticism, because I know what I'm doing isn't very halal. But it's not completely haram as we already agreed that we wouldn't have sex until marriage, and he's considering converting as his sisters are Muslim converts. I still love my religion very much, and I also love my boyfriend.

So what I'm trying to say is: adhere to your religion, but also consider your happiness too. If you have a feeling, it must be for a reason, and suppressing those reasons will only make them worse in the end. If you do decide to date him, don't go too far with your relationship - as in don't be anymore intimate than hugging/kissing. Hopefully Allah will understand that you really like him and plan on actually going places with him, rather than a quick one night stand.

Hope this makes you feel a bit better! :smile:

You are normal muslims girls can have sex before marriage. Now that girls get married late around the age of 30. Muslims girls were asked to get married before they had sex when the marriage took place at 16 - 18 years of age. Masterbation is allowed in Islam.
Reply 230
If normal muslim girls can have sex why they should masterbation? Even they are not virgin anymore its doesnt mean that they r not muslims anymore....

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Reply 231
Original post by utanawah
I'm Muslim and I have a boyfriend whose not of the same religion or culture as me. It took me a really long time to follow my feelings because of religion (and also he's a year younger than me - which I usually found gross, but then he happened lol). But what pushed me towards dating my him is that I met him during a time I thought I was depressed, and without him I know I wouldn't be happy right now because he's always something I look forward to - and no one can make me smile the way he does by just being there. He motivates me to do better in school, and respects my religious beliefs.

Another thing, is that times are really changing. Divorce rates are so high now, and a common reason people divorce is due to people not knowing each other well enough before getting married. Having said that, I'd never marry someone I don't know well. My mum's on her 3rd husband now because she's always been rushed into marriage as she wasn't allowed to date. So wouldn't it be better to find that one person and stick with them because you know them well enough to know they're right for you? Of course there are those who marry without dating and never divorce, but look at the percentage of such couples before you try to rebut my point.

I honestly think that in this modern day and in this society, it's almost impossible to adhere to SOME Islamic laws. For example, it's said that women can't travel alone without men, even if it's just a car ride. But imagine a working class family where the husband and wife work in different places. It would be impossible for them to go everywhere together... so clearly some things must not be as much set in stone as they were centuries ago.

Please don't come at me with criticism, because I know what I'm doing isn't very halal. But it's not completely haram as we already agreed that we wouldn't have sex until marriage, and he's considering converting as his sisters are Muslim converts. I still love my religion very much, and I also love my boyfriend.

So what I'm trying to say is: adhere to your religion, but also consider your happiness too. If you have a feeling, it must be for a reason, and suppressing those reasons will only make them worse in the end. If you do decide to date him, don't go too far with your relationship - as in don't be anymore intimate than hugging/kissing. Hopefully Allah will understand that you really like him and plan on actually going places with him, rather than a quick one night stand.

Hope this makes you feel a bit better! :smile:


In islam Masterbation is allowed. I have heard Dr. Zakir Naik say that many times. watch him on Youtube. It is good that you have agreed not to have full intercourse sex till marriage, but I think you can masterbate each other. You are not doing anything wrong.
Look I'm in just the same position as you but my parents grew up here and our pretty liberal.
Religion is great and its certainly something that has helped me but you need to decide whether you want to be with this person for the right reasons. Religion is a guideline it isn't solid fact so it needs to be to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I hope you go for it, if it makes you happy. What is important is that you've considered the pros and cons of doing so.
It's hard but be happy with whatever decision you make :smile:
Reply 233
Original post by RBalboa
Erm,okay then?


Thats right... You sit down :smile:
Original post by riashat
Possibly the most realist comment iv seen in a loong time, couldn't have phrased it any other way

made my day :wink:

Ahahah thanx
Original post by katbob
Thats right... You sit down :smile:

Nah i wont bro
That's an impossible statement, as if they do have boyfriends, then surely they are not Muslim...at least if they do anything more than hold hands, in fact, come to think about it, even that is haram :biggrin:
Original post by DanyaI
That's an impossible statement, as if they do have boyfriends, then surely they are not Muslim...at least if they do anything more than hold hands, in fact, come to think about it, even that is haram :biggrin:

Dom't even start bro!! It's our life and we will live it how we want, and if we want a boyfriend thats us being haram not you so flip off wit da islamic lectures
Original post by RBalboa
Dom't even start bro!! It's our life and we will live it how we want, and if we want a boyfriend thats us being haram not you so flip off wit da islamic lectures


I can't establish whether your a boy or a girl wanting a boyfriend, but in the case that you are a guy, then that's even more haram! :biggrin:

Lol I'm not lecturing and I don't really care tbh
Original post by DanyaI
I can't establish whether your a boy or a girl wanting a boyfriend, but in the case that you are a guy, then that's even more haram! :biggrin:

Lol I'm not lecturing and I don't really care tbh

IM A GIRL!!! and i have a boyfriend and den why the frig yu commenting on dis thread?:wink:

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