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'Soft' Subjects??

So I'm getting towards the end of my last year of a-levels and I've just been reading about 'soft' subjects. I'm studying art, maths and product design.
Do universities consider art and product design to be soft subjects?
On http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/feb/04/university-places-traditional-subjects-a-levels I read that students who chose at least two of these 'soft' subjects have a considerably lower chance of getting top places at uni.
In my experience, art is twice as much work as maths and product design is just a little less. I am predicted to get an A for each subject and I have worked my ass off! Just hoping my choice of subjects isn't going to let me down now.
Anybody know much about this?
Sorry if this isn't the right place for the post, it's one of my first.
Cheers in advance for any info.
Bro, given you're not applying oxbridge and lse, no-one else is likely to care too much. Do what you enjoy, and enjoy life. Life's too short.
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Grades are more important. If you're working at 3 As then this will work in your favour. Obviously as the previous poster said, Oxbridge and lse may be out of the question but it depends on what course you want to do


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What course do you want to study and where? Art and product design are soft subjects, and if you want to study a degree that isn't related to these at all it will be a struggle to get a place - AAB in Maths, History and Economics looks better than AAA in Maths, Art and Product Design.
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Well I'm thinking along the lines of mechanical engineering. Not too sure where yet, I'm applying towards the end of this year. I had been looking at Bristol but they want Physics and an A*. Most uni's seem to ask for maths and a science with some accepting product design as a science.
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Original post by connahrs
Well I'm thinking along the lines of mechanical engineering. Not too sure where yet, I'm applying towards the end of this year. I had been looking at Bristol but they want Physics and an A*. Most uni's seem to ask for maths and a science with some accepting product design as a science.


Howcome you didn't pick any science based subjects or did you not know at the time that you wanted to a study mechanical engineering? I would suggest taking a year out and doing a higher access course and study the subjects you need, it will benefit you more in the long term especially if you're looking to apply to uni's along the lines of Bristol.


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Original post by r-t
Howcome you didn't pick any science based subjects or did you not know at the time that you wanted to a study mechanical engineering? I would suggest taking a year out and doing a higher access course and study the subjects you need, it will benefit you more in the long term especially if you're looking to apply to uni's along the lines of Bristol.


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I didn't really know at the time what I was going to do, just stuck with the subjects I was best at. I was thinking I'll have to settle for a uni with different entry requirements but perhaps thats a good idea. I've got plans for a bit of traveling during my gap year. Reckon it would be possible to fit an extra course in with that? Not too sure how involved it would be.
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Original post by connahrs
I didn't really know at the time what I was going to do, just stuck with the subjects I was best at. I was thinking I'll have to settle for a uni with different entry requirements but perhaps thats a good idea. I've got plans for a bit of traveling during my gap year. Reckon it would be possible to fit an extra course in with that? Not too sure how involved it would be.


It all depends on your work ethic. I personally doubt I'd be able to do both even though I have a strong work ethic but everyone's different. I'd say look into it and contact colleges you could do it at near you and see what the work loads like. My teacher done an access course and said it was quite difficult because everything is crammed into one year as opposed to two so that's something you will have to consider aswell.


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Original post by connahrs
So I'm getting towards the end of my last year of a-levels and I've just been reading about 'soft' subjects. I'm studying art, maths and product design.
Do universities consider art and product design to be soft subjects?
On http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/feb/04/university-places-traditional-subjects-a-levels I read that students who chose at least two of these 'soft' subjects have a considerably lower chance of getting top places at uni.
In my experience, art is twice as much work as maths and product design is just a little less. I am predicted to get an A for each subject and I have worked my ass off! Just hoping my choice of subjects isn't going to let me down now.
Anybody know much about this?
Sorry if this isn't the right place for the post, it's one of my first.
Cheers in advance for any info.


The reality is that most unis will want to see A-levels that are closely related to the subject you want to study- so if you wanted to study History, they'd be keen on a majority of essay based subjects, and if you want to study a science, normally you need a minimum of 2-3 science A-levels.

Art is a bit of a weird one, in that most of the top unis for art (e.g. Goldsmiths) admit based on portfolios, rather than specific qualifications. As such, art lacks a bit of value as an A-level.

I would also say that the Russell group has been going on about facilitating subjects for years, but in reality, these unis do admit a lot of people who haven't done 2/3 facilitating subjects to A2 and the subjects required will vary a lot on a course by course basis.

In reality as well, unis won't usually vary offers much between students- getting 3 As, including maths will make you a stronger candidate than someone who took 3 "traditional" subjects and gets 3 B grades.

I actually think both the article and the booklet (potentially as I haven't read it) could end up being misleading or at least misrepresenting the situation. The reality is that you cannot generalise between all university subjects in a meaningful way.
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Original post by SlowlorisIncognito
The reality is that most unis will want to see A-levels that are closely related to the subject you want to study- so if you wanted to study History, they'd be keen on a majority of essay based subjects, and if you want to study a science, normally you need a minimum of 2-3 science A-levels.

Art is a bit of a weird one, in that most of the top unis for art (e.g. Goldsmiths) admit based on portfolios, rather than specific qualifications. As such, art lacks a bit of value as an A-level.

I would also say that the Russell group has been going on about facilitating subjects for years, but in reality, these unis do admit a lot of people who haven't done 2/3 facilitating subjects to A2 and the subjects required will vary a lot on a course by course basis.

In reality as well, unis won't usually vary offers much between students- getting 3 As, including maths will make you a stronger candidate than someone who took 3 "traditional" subjects and gets 3 B grades.

I actually think both the article and the booklet (potentially as I haven't read it) could end up being misleading or at least misrepresenting the situation. The reality is that you cannot generalise between all university subjects in a meaningful way.


Well as mentioned in a previous comment, I wasn't sure exactly what degree I wanted to do when I chose my subjects. I knew that I wanted to do something that involves creativity, design and maths as they are what I enjoy.
I am now looking at mechanical engineering, which (although more related to maths and physics) involves aspects of design and creativity. I thought my art & design a-level could be somewhat relevant here.
Also, people tend to say that you either have a creative mind (being good at lit, arts etc.) or a scientific mind (being good at maths, physics etc.). I thought that showing I am good in both areas, would be a positive for a degree like this. Perhaps that could've been shown in my product design alone.
Anyway, as 'r-t' suggested, I think I am going to do a physics a-level over my gap year. Think that will give me a lot more options.
Original post by connahrs
Well as mentioned in a previous comment, I wasn't sure exactly what degree I wanted to do when I chose my subjects. I knew that I wanted to do something that involves creativity, design and maths as they are what I enjoy.
I am now looking at mechanical engineering, which (although more related to maths and physics) involves aspects of design and creativity. I thought my art & design a-level could be somewhat relevant here.
Also, people tend to say that you either have a creative mind (being good at lit, arts etc.) or a scientific mind (being good at maths, physics etc.). I thought that showing I am good in both areas, would be a positive for a degree like this. Perhaps that could've been shown in my product design alone.
Anyway, as 'r-t' suggested, I think I am going to do a physics a-level over my gap year. Think that will give me a lot more options.


Sorry, with my post I was more responding to my article than your specific situation.

Unfortunately, most unis want students to start specialising at 16, at least if they are taking A-levels. This is not ideal, as a lot of people change a lot between 16-18, but it's the way the system works in the UK.

I think your plan to take physics next year could be very good. However, some unis dislike gap years in maths related subjects, as they think your maths skills will deteriorate. You might want to check this with unis before making your decision. To combat this, you could maybe also take further maths on your gap year if it's going to be an issue.

Have you thought about architecture at all?
Original post by connahrs
Well I'm thinking along the lines of mechanical engineering. Not too sure where yet, I'm applying towards the end of this year. I had been looking at Bristol but they want Physics and an A*. Most uni's seem to ask for maths and a science with some accepting product design as a science.


Your lack of physics A2 will be the major barrier here.

You might like to consider doing an engineering foundation year, which will open up several universities that wouldn't take you otherwise. Even some Russell Group unis offer foundation years, e.g. http://www.manchester.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/2015/00428/engineering-with-an-integrated-foundation-year-4-or-5-years/

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Original post by connahrs
Well as mentioned in a previous comment, I wasn't sure exactly what degree I wanted to do when I chose my subjects. I knew that I wanted to do something that involves creativity, design and maths as they are what I enjoy.
I am now looking at mechanical engineering, which (although more related to maths and physics) involves aspects of design and creativity. I thought my art & design a-level could be somewhat relevant here.
Also, people tend to say that you either have a creative mind (being good at lit, arts etc.) or a scientific mind (being good at maths, physics etc.). I thought that showing I am good in both areas, would be a positive for a degree like this. Perhaps that could've been shown in my product design alone.
Anyway, as 'r-t' suggested, I think I am going to do a physics a-level over my gap year. Think that will give me a lot more options.


Why not look into Product Design/Industrial Design? Your subject choices would be a great fit for that course.

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