Would you rather date a feminist or a meninist?

you do realise that Feminism means equality for both genders, right?

It literally says that it advocates for women's rights so that 'both the genders are on equal grounds', idk how much more sense I need to make to you.

of course they are how could i forget! its just so difficult to be a man!!

Actually, I've studied sociology for 4 years, mainly focusing on inequalities across gender, class and ethnicity and my brother is a Sociology graduate from Durham, so I think I could say I'm a little more informed than what you implied there.
Did I say that 50:50 gender quotas should be introduced to every job sector? No. I'm just saying that the reason why there is these unequal proportions of genders in certain areas of employment is that male and females are socialised differently. Therefore that the pay gap is most likely down to sexism.
Also, are you suggesting that biological differences determine personality? You don't believe that someone's upbringing determines their futures and preferences?

Ah, I guess your the type to follow what people are saying.

Good luck.

I'm dating a feminist atm. Nothing wrong with feminism at all.

But I'm not dating a woman who begs off the meninist ****... like what the hell is that?? Problematic behaviour.

Which is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of inequality against both sexes that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one.

I understand the idea of what you're saying, but it implies that women are the only gender that experience inequalities/oppression. Sorry, but I disagree. It's not hard to see that there's good and bad to being either gender, especially in the Western world where the disparity isn't as grave (broad statement, yes, but I'm sure you understand).

At 21 years old, and having moved around many times, I still have yet to personally experience anything that really made me think 'Golly, this must've happened due to my lack of rights/because I'm being discriminated against as a female.'

But there is still a lot of inequality for women in this country, and there is still a need for people to fight for that change.... hence feminism.

Supporting feminism takes nothing away from anyone elses cause. I don't understand the problem.

People don't have this issues with charities etc. Like you don't go up to people in the street raising money for cancer and go "You want money for cancer? That is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of other diseases that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one. MONEY FOR ALL DISEASE CHARITIES".

I'm sorry but what is menism. Somebody tried to explain this to me on a different thread and I still don't get it.

But there is still a lot of inequality for women in this country, and there is still a need for people to fight for that change.... hence feminism.

Supporting feminism takes nothing away from anyone elses cause. I don't understand the problem.

People don't have this issues with charities etc. Like you don't go up to people in the street raising money for cancer and go "You want money for cancer? That is well needed in places like Iran and India. But this is the UK, last time I checked and there are so many instances of other diseases that it makes no sense to just focus on "raising the status" of one. MONEY FOR ALL DISEASE CHARITIES".

Why not a meninist

I really disagree with this. I think a drawback of the education system and society's general attitude towards nurturing children is that they are all special and they all capable of 'anything if they put their mind to it'. Teachers and parents don't just say that to the boys and exclude the girls from it. In fact, if they did and they were found out, there would be a huge backlash from society (and rightly so).

Most of these dangerous jobs need to involve a strong and physically fit individual (eg. firemen, soldiers, deep sea fishermen etc) and men are simply more physically suited to these jobs. And I am glad that more men do some of these, especially firemen and soldiers. Because if a 50:50 gender quota was imposed on these professions, the professions would suffer. Fire "people" would be less able to save people trapped in buildings. Soldiers would be less able to cross battlefields in required times and be less able to carry heavy equipment. Men are better at some jobs than women. Fact. And the inverse is also true for some other jobs.

These "academic careers" like STEM are practically begging for more women to join. Being an engineering student myself, I have come across so many grad schemes aimed exclusively at women. Entering a STEM profession as a woman is much easier than a man because of gender quotas and employers' general desire to not appear sexist. Yet, the vast majority of female university students choose non-STEM subjects like gender studies, fashion design, arts etc. Even in politics nowadays, women are shown to be no more or less popular in political circles and gender quotas on the houses of parliament have been frequently discussed. Yet still so few women are interested in pursuing politics. I think it is obvious that women and men just prefer different things.

We are a sexually dimorphic species, so true equality in every instance will be impossible achieve without artificially reducing or increasing different genders' standing in certain areas. Women and men are not the same and never will be.

So you may have your so-called "socialogical research," which most likely consists primarily of Buzzfeed and Tumblr blogs by Anita Sarkesian, on your side. But I have cold, hard facts on mine.

Hey, about women in STEM in the west, I come from an international background and in my homecountry there are NO 'female in stem' programmes or campaigns, yet you can often see 50% of CS and many other science courses female. In Malaysia, 60% of IT jobs are female, in Iran 70% of science students are female. This is because science and maths are seen as 'cool' among kids and maths is obligatory for all. Those of us who come to the UK always think that your country is a lot more developed and then are baffled by these 'women in STEM' societies etc. Politics is mostly male in these countries, too, but in Scandinavian countries that's not the case. If anything, there are more women. So we can conclude that these 'different choices' are not universal for every country and hence it is not a biological rule for all.

The career choices in the UK are not such because 'men and women make different choices', no matter where they live, but because they do so in certain cultures. Sorry if I sound rude, but I think a better way to get more balanced STEM courses for your country would be advertising math and science to ALL kids instead of making 'female only' scholarships, while at school science oriented children continue to be labeled geeks and nerds. That's kinda weird. It's just not doing anything good.

PS Most of the rubbish-collectors here are women, too.. It really depends on the culture, mate. (not saying anything about jobs that require high physical strength like firefighters ofc)

PPS Also, wouldn't date either. I want to date someone adequate.

No problem. I don't find someone disagreeing with my opinion rude.

Having lived in an international school in Malaysia for 2 years (which was home to many Koreans, Taiwanese, Chinese and Indians as well as Malaysians), I am aware of the attitudes towards education there and in many other South East Asian countries. Iran, I could not possibly comment on as I have never even met an Iranian, let alone lived there. But back in Malaysia, I have noticed that parents often push their children towards law or STEM wherever possible, something high paying and 'respectable' whether they are daughters or sons. Whereas in the UK, parents generally allow their kids to take whatever career path they want, as long as they do something. Which leads me to conclude that the lack of women in STEM here is more down to their personal choice than the comparatively plentiful numbers that you speak of elsewhere. As girls typically achieve slightly higher than boys in the classroom then I am not surprised to see more women in some of these professions, though obviously that is not the only factor. Naturally, there will be some areas of STEM that females are more likely to prefer than others, so there will still be unequal gender ratios is some areas of STEM, regardless. Male and female brains work in very different ways,

I also cannot speak for the Scandinavian countries either. I don't know anyone from that part of Europe. So I couldn't possibly comment on that.

I can say with certainty that STEM courses are advertised at least equally to both genders of school students, if not more so to girls. It's just people find them boring, girls moreso than boys. I guess here we only have our differences of opinion. I do disagree with the label of 'nerd/geek' in this culture though. I think it's disgraceful, but it has nothing to do with the genders.