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How can the online dating experience be improved for men?

I decided to try my luck on the online dating scene and bloody hell it's a degrading and depressing experience. It just feels degrading and depressing as hell when you see all the women you sent a message checked out your profile, but never had the decency to even send you a message.

It feels like i'm in a casino and the odds are against me. A place where women are in complete control and also a place where the *******s ruin things for everyone. How can online dating be changed so that the chances are evened out for decent men, so women actually need to work to get messages too (as in isn't just guys chasing chasing chasing), but at the same time make the experience fun? We're in 2015 and we still haven't figured out how to make the perfect dating site... or maybe it isn't in the interest of business to make a dating site that actually works for men?


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Reply 1
Supply and demand.

Men (at least for sex) have much lower standards and so approach more women. Women feel validated because of this and only approach the best looking guys even if they are fairly ugly/fat. Because this also occurs in RL, there tend to less women who feel the need to go online dating too adding to the mismatch.

To develop a proper dating site you would have to per region/county ect.. (you'd have to pick an area) have a ratio of say 60% women, 40% men. You could then add a review system to weed out the girls who are just attention whores and those who actually meet. So at the bottom it might say x users have confirmed this girl meets people from this website. Women could also do similar on male profiles except it might say x users confirm that this man only wants a ONS. You could also automatically remove users who do not come online for a month.

That would i think tip the balance of power back towards men.
Reply 2
It always going to be a battle for guys. Traditionally the ball is in their court to initiate. The best looking, if they're there at all, will just be having fun philandering. For all the other guys they will be at the mercy of girls who there is little opportunity to judge genuine interest from and who are on a pretty picky ego trip. Queue lots of being ignored, rejections and diabolical dates. Avoid, get your gear on and go to the pub..
Reply 3
Original post by Rakas21
Supply and demand.

Men (at least for sex) have much lower standards and so approach more women. Women feel validated because of this and only approach the best looking guys even if they are fairly ugly/fat. Because this also occurs in RL, there tend to less women who feel the need to go online dating too adding to the mismatch.

To develop a proper dating site you would have to per region/county ect.. (you'd have to pick an area) have a ratio of say 60% women, 40% men. You could then add a review system to weed out the girls who are just attention whores and those who actually meet. So at the bottom it might say x users have confirmed this girl meets people from this website. Women could also do similar on male profiles except it might say x users confirm that this man only wants a ONS. You could also automatically remove users who do not come online for a month.

That would i think tip the balance of power back towards men.


Interesting in theory but there is no way any of that would be less than chaos in practice. If you put too many obstacles, girls simply won't use it at all meaning there'd be an even worse male/female ratio. I wouldn't want to meet a girl whose met with a ton of guys online; Also I don't want some bizznitch giving me a bad review just because she thought giving it up the first night will secure boyfriend status.
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Original post by Jebedee
Interesting in theory but there is no way any of that would be less than chaos in practice. If you put too many obstacles, girls simply won't use it at all meaning there'd be an even worse male/female ratio. I wouldn't want to meet a girl whose met with a ton of guys online; Also I don't want some bizznitch giving me a bad review just because she thought giving it up the first night will secure boyfriend status.


The only real hard part is maintaining the ratio, you could sort out the review part by simply having a box on the profile that says met or not met rather than a verbal review. Most men consider a girl unlikely to be wasting their time to be a positive.
Original post by datpiff
I decided to try my luck on the online dating scene and bloody hell it's a degrading and depressing experience. It just feels degrading and depressing as hell when you see all the women you sent a message checked out your profile, but never had the decency to even send you a message.

It feels like i'm in a casino and the odds are against me. A place where women are in complete control and also a place where the *******s ruin things for everyone. How can online dating be changed so that the chances are evened out for decent men, so women actually need to work to get messages too (as in isn't just guys chasing chasing chasing), but at the same time make the experience fun? We're in 2015 and we still haven't figured out how to make the perfect dating site... or maybe it isn't in the interest of business to make a dating site that actually works for men?


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My goodness I can relate to this madly, when they look at your profile or you see that they've read your message and dont care enough to at least say hello back is a major confidence killer.
Its weird because I used to do the online thing before this social media thing really took flight (around 2007-2010) and i used to get a fair amount of responses/accepted friend requests on sites like tagged,badoo,netlog etc. Now i'd be fukin lucky to get a chick to acknowledgement my existence.

This leads me to believe this is down to the saturation of the online scene literally every dude is on it now trying to look for females. Chicks can in return afford to be picky when there is a good 50 other guys in there inbox and as far as there concerend a better option is waiting for them as they scroll down their inbox.
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It's absolutely awful. You have to make such an effort to initiate meaningful conversation with people. 80% don't reply back. 20% so far have replied back within the next 24hours with a few sentences. I find messaging people who are online at that time is by far the best way to go. I have been very very low with my standards. Yet I find nobody ever messages me first - even to continue a conversation we were having at an earlier period. I have to start every conversation. Lead every conversation and this is to get a girl to merely add me on Skype, a girl who may I add isn't doing particularly much in their life, has no ambitions, poor general knowledge, low intelligence, low empathy, is under average attractiveness, fat and otherwise unhealthy and usually poor too. *sigh* I just want someone to cuddle and I don't even care about those things but even with those standards **** is too much effort! >_>

I can see why it makes people bitter. I'm not bitter though. I understand that the social situations or lack thereof that I put myself in is the reason why I lack friends and thereby girlfriends. But still, it is unfair that the world so much caters for those who enjoy clubbing, meaningless conversation and the like... Alas, it is what it is. HAve to find a way to deal with. Online dating is ****e.
The state wades into the dating market and matches partners on a basis of need and ability. :yes:
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
The state wades into the dating market and matches partners on a basis of need and ability. :yes:


Lol.
Original post by TorpidPhil
Lol.


#communism
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
The state wades into the dating market and matches partners on a basis of need and ability. :yes:


That's awful. I suppose it would be better if you also pursued eugenics with that though. The state could manufacture a race of superior humans..
Original post by Rakas21
That's awful. I suppose it would be better if you also pursued eugenics with that though. The state could manufacture a race of superior humans..


It was a joke.... SHEEESH
When they do reply on that rare occasion they turn out to be very weird and tend to only give one words i.e lol,yeah,ok. I find it very arrogant that they expect guys to continuously put in all the effort to keep the convo going
Just wondering would you rather a girl replied even if she wasn't interested?
Original post by keturah
Just wondering would you rather a girl replied even if she wasn't interested?


No. Nobody wants that. The OP just didn't think too hard about it :smile:

Thing is... I've been using OKCupid and even when a girl "likes" my profile. I still have to message first. I get one-word responses post my sending them a message with a bunch of questions to try and stimulate conversation (most of which they ignore). They don't ask me any questions about myself. And there's no chance whatsoever they'll message me again a day or two later. It's really disheartening. People responding when they aren't interested in you just reminds you that another human finds you undesirable. Nobody needs reminding of that. It's an online dating site. Nobody expects answers from most messages they send - or you shouldn't anyway.
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Original post by keturah
Just wondering would you rather a girl replied even if she wasn't interested?


To be honest I'm probably better suited to the male side of things. I'd feel mean turning down someone.
Original post by keturah
Just wondering would you rather a girl replied even if she wasn't interested?


To prevent me messaging again in a few weeks then yes, a simple fake lie like 'i'm seeing somebody and we're happy now'.
Original post by TorpidPhil
No. Nobody wants that. The OP just didn't think too hard about it :smile:

Thing is... I've been using OKCupid and even when a girl "likes" my profile. I still have to message first. I get one-word responses post my sending them a message with a bunch of questions to try and stimulate conversation (most of which they ignore). They don't ask me any questions about myself. And there's no chance whatsoever they'll message me again a day or two later. It's really disheartening. People responding when they aren't interested in you just reminds you that another human finds you undesirable. Nobody needs reminding of that. It's an online dating site. Nobody expects answers from most messages they send - or you shouldn't anyway.

I'm on ok cupid too. That sucks that they don't engage in conversation. When I've started conversation first they never reply though so I have stopped doing it.
Girls get more messages but I get guys not replying mid conversation so maybe it's not just a gender specific thing.
Original post by Rakas21
To prevent me messaging again in a few weeks then yes, a simple fake lie like 'i'm seeing somebody and we're happy now'.


That's dishonest though and I don't lie.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
To be honest I'm probably better suited to the male side of things. I'd feel mean turning down someone.


Yeah I would feel awkward saying that I wasn't interested but then I feel mean not replying too.

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