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    Corbyn has responded.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-poli...ories-nonsense
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    Apparently the Czech spy has claimed that he organised Live Aid?

    Also Ben Bradley, the Tory MP, removed one of his tweets accusing Corbyn of selling secrets to a spy after Labour threatened legal action. It seems that like many, he didn't really believe what he was saying.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    Apparently the Czech spy has claimed that he organised Live Aid?

    Also Ben Bradley, the Tory MP, removed one of his tweets accusing Corbyn of selling secrets to a spy after Labour threatened legal action. It seems that like many, he didn't really believe what he was saying.
    Hmm, this one seems to be a slow burner which could easily go either way.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43127527

    Another article based on what Corbyn set today.

    On another note am I the only one who found what Corbyn said a tad worrying?
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    Hmm, this one seems to be a slow burner which could easily go either way.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43127527

    Another article based on what Corbyn set today.

    On another note am I the only one who found what Corbyn said a tad worrying?
    If the press is making up lies you are entitled to bite back. He has a point. The right wing media are terrified of a Corbyn government.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    If the press is making up lies you are entitled to bite back. He has a point. The right wing media are terrified of a Corbyn government.
    I would dispute the point making up lies, I haven’t seen evidence that he didn’t meet this Czech chap. The sun have got hold of a story and haven’t made one up as so to say.

    It was the line “change is coming”which sounded slightly sinister. Although I do accept that he would naturally fight back if lies were being spread about him.
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    I would dispute the point making up lies, I haven’t seen evidence that he didn’t meet this Czech chap. The sun have got hold of a story and haven’t made one up as so to say.

    It was the line “change is coming”which sounded slightly sinister. Although I do accept that he would naturally fight back if lies were being spread about him.
    He's not denying he met him. He's denying the ridiculous allegations being made about those meetings.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    He's not denying he met him. He's denying the ridiculous allegations being made about those meetings.
    Some Tories have gone a little too apeshit and allowed him to cast the whole epidsode as a smear, when even the confirmed parts of the story ought to be a scandal.

    This all said, it is the job of the free press to ask inconvenient questions of mainstream politicians. If he was having friendly lunches with communist spies, at the same time their governments were brutally suppressing incipient democratic movements, then the press should absolutely ask why. His thinly-veiled threats towards said free-press are both outrageous and unsurprising, in that context.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    even the confirmed parts of the story ought to be a scandal.
    Here's another part of the story confirmed by the Czech Spy (Google translate of his own words)

    What information did Corbyn give you?
    - I'll tell you this. I knew what Thatcher would have for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and what she would wear for the next day.

    Yes, Corbyn, a backbench Labour MP, was able to reveal Margaret Thatcher's lunch menu and fashion choices.

    And there's more

    Did you also talk about security issues?
    - Yes, it was based on the peace movement, and they were receiving reports from the Defense Ministry.

    That's right. The Ministry of Defence was briefing CND, at a time when the peace movement tried to close down the nuclear base at Greenham Common.

    Not only that, but:

    - Through the unions and peace movements, questions were addressed to Nelson Mandel. It is because he and his team have been involved in the preparation of supporting events. We finally made a concert in Wembley. It was funded by Czechoslovakia.
    Do you mean Live Aid?
    - I did that.
    Yes, this spy confirms that Live Aid was funded by the Czech secret police. No wonder it made so much money.

    Now can you see why the serious media have barely touched this story? And why your desperation to take it seriously is so entertaining?


    (Original post by Rinsed)
    This all said, it is the job of the free press to ask inconvenient questions of mainstream politicians. If he was having friendly lunches..., at the same time their governments were brutally suppressing incipient democratic movements, then the press should absolutely ask why.
    Saudi Arabia.... USA.... General Pinochet.... Idi Amin.... Bahrain... All leaders or states that 'were brutally suppressing incipient democratic movements' and some still are. All leaders or states that were either supported by Thatcher or are currently supported by our own current government.
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    His thinly-veiled threats towards said free-press are both outrageous and unsurprising, in that context.
    Our 'free press' is mostly controlled by right-wing tax exiles. Tell me the name of a national newspaper that is free to print the news without interference from its owner.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    Some Tories have gone a little too apeshit and allowed him to cast the whole epidsode as a smear, when even the confirmed parts of the story ought to be a scandal.

    This all said, it is the job of the free press to ask inconvenient questions of mainstream politicians. If he was having friendly lunches with communist spies, at the same time their governments were brutally suppressing incipient democratic movements, then the press should absolutely ask why. His thinly-veiled threats towards said free-press are both outrageous and unsurprising, in that context.
    The problem is that the press go far beyond that. The press are meant to carry out investigations and ask questions, of course. However as usual with Corbyn it was a case of the press already deciding Corbyn was guilty and having very little regard for the truth. Hence the ridiculous, sensationalist headlines calling Corbyn a spy who sold our secrets.

    Figures in the Tory party giddily joined in without any solid evidence of the accusations they were making and the fact that Ben Bradley deleted his tweet after Corbyn's lawyers threatened legal action is rather telling.

    Corbyn in that time period supported a motion in Parliament supporting the striking workers of Czechoslovskia, condemning the actions of the Soviet government. Hardly seems like someone in love with the regime.

    I'm glad to see a Labour leader bite back against the press for their lies rather than cow to them.
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    https://twitter.com/daily_politics/s...78757588787201

    Brilliant by Andrew Neil. A must watch.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    https://twitter.com/daily_politics/s...78757588787201

    Brilliant by Andrew Neil. A must watch.
    Andrew Neil usually does a good job of holding all to account.
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    Andrew Neil usually does a good job of holding all to account.
    He does. Absolutely had Baker on the ropes there.
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    German officials have now confirmed that there are no Stasi files on Corbyn.

    As I said, this whole thing was a bunch of lies and speculation. An opportunistic attempt to try and brand Corbyn as a traitor based off of next to no evidence.

    Yes the press are meant to investigate and ask questions but they're not meant to print outright lies for their own political purposes, such as claiming Corbyn sold secrets to Communist spies.

    Andrew Neil did a wonderful job today of putting the Tories on the ropes for opportunistically jumping on the story with no regard for its truth.

    A nothing story.
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    And now it transpires that the day the spy claimed to have met Corbyn, that Corbyn was in Chesterfield at a conference and there is video footage from ITV.

    This story is falling apart by the seams.

    I wonder when the Tories, including those on here ate going to apologise...
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    And now it transpires that the day the spy claimed to have met Corbyn, that Corbyn was in Chesterfield at an ITV event!!

    This story is falling apart by the seams.

    I wonder when the Tories, including those on here ate going to apologise...
    I heard it was the day after his mother died? I must be getting confused with dates. Also a note, I haven't seen Corbyns “rant” be played on any of the major news networks. I only heard it on Nigel Farages show on LBC. Peston said it was because he refused to give interviews.
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    I heard it was the day after his mother died? I must be getting confused with dates. Also a note, I haven't seen Corbyns “rant” be played on any of the major news networks. I only heard it on Nigel Farages show on LBC. Peston said it was because he refused to give interviews.
    BBC played it.

    So far, what we know about this story:

    1. Czech officials have confirmed that Corbyn was not a spy or an agent, nor did he supply secrets, nor was he paid.

    2. German officials have confirmed that there is no Stasi file on Corbyn, despite right wing commentators criticising Corbyn for not releasing the file...

    3. The 'spy' at the centre of this claimed that Corbyn told him what Thatcher had for breakfast and that he also organised LiveAid

    4. The spy claims to have met Corbyn on a day when there is video evidence that Corbyn was at a conference in Chesterfield.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    BBC played it.

    So far, what we know about this story:

    1. Czech officials have confirmed that Corbyn was not a spy or an agent, nor did he supply secrets, nor was he paid.

    2. German officials have confirmed that there is no Stasi file on Corbyn, despite right wing commentators criticising Corbyn for not releasing the file...

    3. The 'spy' at the centre of this claimed that Corbyn told him what Thatcher had for breakfast and that he also organised LiveAid

    4. The spy claims to have met Corbyn on a day when there is video evidence that Corbyn was at a conference in Chesterfield.

    On the BBC point fair enough I’ll take your word for it.

    On the other points, we knew Corbyn wasn’t a spy and that this chap wasn’t the most reputable source. Why anyone would think Corbyn knew (or cared) what Thatcher had for breakfast is beyond me.

    On point 4 I would just like to say that it isn’t possible that Corbyn could be in 2 places during 1 day. Although the other points rather debunk the theory he was giving away state secrets to a spy.

    A quick question for you though? Do you have the same opinion on the Farage meeting Assange stories that have been in the Guardian before?
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    On the BBC point fair enough I’ll take your word for it.

    On the other points, we knew Corbyn wasn’t a spy and that this chap wasn’t the most reputable source. Why anyone would think Corbyn knew (or cared) what Thatcher had for breakfast is beyond me.

    On point 4 I would just like to say that it isn’t possible that Corbyn could be in 2 places during 1 day. Although the other points rather debunk the theory he was giving away state secrets to a spy.

    A quick question for you though? Do you have the same opinion on the Farage meeting Assange stories that have been in the Guardian before?
    Sorry you're correct, the BBC did not show it.

    I'm not really too familiar with the Farage-Assange stuff. I vaguely remember reading about it but don't know enough to make a comment either way really.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    The problem is that the press go far beyond that. The press are meant to carry out investigations and ask questions, of course. However as usual with Corbyn it was a case of the press already deciding Corbyn was guilty and having very little regard for the truth. Hence the ridiculous, sensationalist headlines calling Corbyn a spy who sold our secrets.

    Figures in the Tory party giddily joined in without any solid evidence of the accusations they were making and the fact that Ben Bradley deleted his tweet after Corbyn's lawyers threatened legal action is rather telling.

    Corbyn in that time period supported a motion in Parliament supporting the striking workers of Czechoslovskia, condemning the actions of the Soviet government. Hardly seems like someone in love with the regime.

    I'm glad to see a Labour leader bite back against the press for their lies rather than cow to them.
    So what you're saying is that while he was publicly critisising Czech totalitarianism (although, let's be honest, not so strongly as most) he was privately cozying up to Czech diplomats/spies and praising the Soviet Union to them.

    Hypocrisy, anyone?

    The press are always sensationalist, they need to sell papers and it is a story which has generated a lot of public interest. But it's hard to see where the press have actually lied here at all. Drawn strong inferences, perhaps, but that's hardly the same thing.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    And now it transpires that the day the spy claimed to have met Corbyn, that Corbyn was in Chesterfield at a conference and there is video footage from ITV.

    This story is falling apart by the seams.

    I wonder when the Tories, including those on here ate going to apologise...
    Not even Corbyn is denying he met the spy.

    I read that this was a date mix up but, worst case scenario, the number of confirmed meetings is one lower.

    Because if you only meet a communist spy for a friendly chat twice that's fine, apparently.
 
 
 
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