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Temp job isn't going anywhere. Should I leave?

In January I joined a new company as a temp. The first month was okay; I adjusted quickly to the department and got a healthy amount of work done, including being assigned as a project lead. Unfortunately the workload has massively decreased and I'm being ignored by senior staff which can make my job a real pain in the butt.

They hired a couple of other temps recently who've expressed similar concerns about feeling undervalued. I think we're being taken advantage of in a way as I don't see them offering us full-time positions anytime soon (they said so themselves). It's a real problem because while the money is good, I don't feel I'm learning/developing useful skills for my career.

They haven't said what they're going to do with my contract yet either. I was due to finish last week but was put on a two week 'emergency' extension - through the agency they use. I'm waiting to hear back and even if I do accept, I'm thinking about telling them that I don't think the structure of the role is good enough

Advice on the matter? TiA.

-Duck

P.S. I should point out that I'm not new to the employment market. I took this job following my master's degree which I did after a few years of working. I thought it would offer good career prospects being a big organisation, well known, etc.
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Original post by DuckDodgers
In January I joined a new company as a temp. The first month was okay; I adjusted quickly to the department and got a healthy amount of work done, including being assigned as a project lead. Unfortunately the workload has massively decreased and I'm being ignored by senior staff which can make my job a real pain in the butt.

They hired a couple of other temps recently who've expressed similar concerns about feeling undervalued. I think we're being taken advantage of in a way as I don't see them offering us full-time positions anytime soon (they said so themselves). It's a real problem because while the money is good, I don't feel I'm learning/developing useful skills for my career.

They haven't said what they're going to do with my contract yet either. I was due to finish last week but was put on a two week 'emergency' extension - through the agency they use. I'm waiting to hear back and even if I do accept, I'm thinking about telling them that I don't think the structure of the role is good enough

Advice on the matter? TiA.

-Duck

P.S. I should point out that I'm not new to the employment market. I took this job following my master's degree which I did after a few years of working. I thought it would offer good career prospects being a big organisation, well known, etc.

Does it serve any purpose i.e the money?

Start looking for something better and when you find it plus have a job offer, then you can quit imo. Easier to find a job if you are already working.
Original post by 999tigger
Does it serve any purpose i.e the money?

Start looking for something better and when you find it plus have a job offer, then you can quit imo. Easier to find a job if you are already working.

Sure the money has served a purpose, which is to give me a bit of cash so I'm not totally poor, but it's not hugely important as I'm not under any no financial obligations. I'm living at my dad's so it's in thinking that if my job isn't giving me an ability to move out then it's a problem whatever I'm earning. At best two more months in the role could give me enough money to move somewhere else in the country.

I definitely agree it's easier to find a job when you have one. However, I went to an interview for a position last month - same job title at a similar company - and they asked me to explain what I'd been doing in my role. They seemed surprised how little I was doing and I didn't get the position owing to 'experience'. I've been on a total negative about my job since then.
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Original post by DuckDodgers
Sure the money has served a purpose, which is to give me a bit of cash so I'm not totally poor, but it's not hugely important as I'm not under any no financial obligations. I'm living at my dad's so it's in thinking that if my job isn't giving me an ability to move out then it's a problem whatever I'm earning. At best two more months in the role could give me enough money to move somewhere else in the country.

I definitely agree it's easier to find a job when you have one. However, I went to an interview for a position last month - same job title at a similar company - and they asked me to explain what I'd been doing in my role. They seemed surprised how little I was doing and I didn't get the position owing to 'experience'. I've been on a total negative about my job since then.


Then you have to dress the experience up or seek tasks specifically so you can mention them on your CV. IF you feel you can do that better outside employment, then do that. Maybe do some vol work as well.
Original post by 999tigger
Then you have to dress the experience up or seek tasks specifically so you can mention them on your CV. IF you feel you can do that better outside employment, then do that. Maybe do some vol work as well.

Agree but it's difficult getting involved with anything else; they already take me off more things than they put me on.

For example I produce the weekly newsletters that get sent to staff. This means deciding on content each week and writing the copy. Senior management decided one day they didn't like the service we use (fair enough) so went out and found a new service. But they didn't inform me of this decision and I was ignored for two weeks meaning the other newsletters I produced in that time never got sent out on time (no sign-off).

They've since taken me off creating it at all since it's their new thing. They've yet to inform the head of the student experience team despite her being an integral part of sourcing stories and events for the student version.

Maybe not personal but terrible communication and poor management IMO.
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Original post by DuckDodgers
Sure the money has served a purpose, which is to give me a bit of cash so I'm not totally poor, but it's not hugely important as I'm not under any no financial obligations. I'm living at my dad's so it's in thinking that if my job isn't giving me an ability to move out then it's a problem whatever I'm earning. At best two more months in the role could give me enough money to move somewhere else in the country.

I definitely agree it's easier to find a job when you have one. However, I went to an interview for a position last month - same job title at a similar company - and they asked me to explain what I'd been doing in my role. They seemed surprised how little I was doing and I didn't get the position owing to 'experience'. I've been on a total negative about my job since then.


Having savings to enable you to move will really help with your job search.

You can't blame your job for your failure to sell yourself at interview. In the first month it sounds like you were doing a lot, so in future, focus on that experience and other soft skills you've gained whilst being in the company.

They're not taking advantage- you're exchanging your time/labor for money. That's what a job is. You knew the job was temporary when you took it, which means you knew it might never become permanent and it doesn't sound like you're really being led on/lied to by the company. You could perhaps ask them how the see the next few months going- they may be expecting a big influx of business over the next few months, which is why they're keeping you on, or they may be unsure, in which case it's time to step up the job search!

I think the main problem is you've built up a mismatch between your expectations and the reality of the job- so now it's disappointing to you. It may help to reframe the job in your head as getting some short term experience, a recent reference, and helping you to build up savings to potentially move elsewhere if the right opportunity comes up.
Edit: Accidental triple post.
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Strong post but a job is not merely the exchange if time/labor for money and I think you should reassess that point.

Successful companies wouldn't be successful if they decided their employees were nothing more than assets to take advantage of. Any number of business management books talk about the value of emotional intelligence for instance. More simply, a toxic environment where people feel devalued or hate their jobs won't be efficient, effective or ensure any sustainability long-term.
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Original post by DuckDodgers
Strong post but a job is not merely the exchange if time/labor for money and I think you should reassess that point because it's wildly off.

Successful companies would never be successful if they decided their employees were nothing more than assets to take advantage of. Any number of business management books for instance talk about the value of emotional intelligence for instance. More simply, a toxic environment where people hate their jobs won't be efficient, effective or ensure future sustainability.


But paying someone for their work isn't taking advantage. It's not exploitation (unless you're paying someone significantly less than their work is worth). It's the basis of capitalism.

The fact that you've taken this to mean someone will be automatically miserable suggests it's your expectations that are out of whack with the rest of the world. A lot of people are quite happy with a job where they go in, do their work, get some standard benefits (holiday/sick/maternity) and then go home again. It's not automatically a toxic environment, and the fact that you've assumed it would be I think says a lot about your views/expectations.

It sounds like you want a job that will give you opportunities to progress and develop- which is great, and a lot of companies will like that. Unfortunately, the job you have right now is a temporary one, so it's never going to offer you that. This means you need to look for other opportunities elsewhere.

I also think you have to let things go and take things less personally. It sounds like you took the newsletter thing as a personal slight. It probably wasn't intended that way, but they decided that they wanted to change how things worked and perhaps decided a temp wasn't the right person to be doing that anymore. That's nothing against you, these things happen. The fact that management make decisions without discussing them with staff is also normal- that's how large organisations work. Nothing about what you've said so far screams "toxic" to me- although I do accept this obviously isn't the right role for you right now.

I wonder if you'd be happier working for a smaller business where there would perhaps be more opportunities to get involved with a lot of different projects and perhaps be closer to the decision making?
Original post by DuckDodgers
Strong post but a job is not merely the exchange if time/labor for money and I think you should reassess that point because it's wildly off.

Successful companies would never be successful if they decided their employees were nothing more than assets to take advantage of. Any number of business management books for instance talk about the value of emotional intelligence for instance. More simply, a toxic environment where people hate their jobs won't be efficient, effective or ensure future sustainability.

I get where you're coming from, in that you have thought about what motivates people. An exchange of time/labour for money is a misguided view, because it doesn't take into account the power dynamic and it doesn't take into account the complexities of people (circumstances, personalities, disabilities, mental health conditions) or complexities of groups.

I think you shouldn't be hard on yourself. 3 months in the same place, however you're getting on is not being super negative. It's when people have been somewhere 18 months to 2 years that they should really be thinking like you are. That's not an endorsement for staying on btw.

It sounds like you work in a university environment. University environments at particular times of year are chaos/very slow.
Original post by SarcAndSpark
But paying someone for their work isn't taking advantage. It's not exploitation (unless you're paying someone significantly less than their work is worth). It's the basis of capitalism.

The fact that you've taken this to mean someone will be automatically miserable suggests it's your expectations that are out of whack with the rest of the world. A lot of people are quite happy with a job where they go in, do their work, get some standard benefits (holiday/sick/maternity) and then go home again. It's not automatically a toxic environment, and the fact that you've assumed it would be I think says a lot about your views/expectations.

It sounds like you want a job that will give you opportunities to progress and develop- which is great, and a lot of companies will like that. Unfortunately, the job you have right now is a temporary one, so it's never going to offer you that. This means you need to look for other opportunities elsewhere.

I also think you have to let things go and take things less personally. It sounds like you took the newsletter thing as a personal slight. It probably wasn't intended that way, but they decided that they wanted to change how things worked and perhaps decided a temp wasn't the right person to be doing that anymore. That's nothing against you, these things happen. The fact that management make decisions without discussing them with staff is also normal- that's how large organisations work. Nothing about what you've said so far screams "toxic" to me- although I do accept this obviously isn't the right role for you right now.

I wonder if you'd be happier working for a smaller business where there would perhaps be more opportunities to get involved with a lot of different projects and perhaps be closer to the decision making?


I mostly mentioned the feeling of being taken advantage of because I feel others are miserable here too. There's been a lot of lay-offs in recent years and now they basically hire temps when work needs to be done (including me). I think it's bred a culture of apathy. Another repercussion is that people seem quite worried about their jobs and I think that impacts how willing they are to work as a 'team'.

Generally though I appreciate the advice you've offered. We shan't get into a debate about capitalism and all the other -isms.
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Original post by DuckDodgers
I mostly mentioned the feeling of being taken advantage of because many people are miserable where I work. There's been loads of lay-offs in recent years and now they basically hire temps when they need things done. I think it's bred a culture of apathy in the company. Another repercussion is that people seem quite worried about their jobs and I think that impacts how willing they are to work as a 'team'.

Generally though I appreciate the advice. We shan't get into a debate about capitalism and all the other -isms.


I agree, that's not going to be good for morale- but ultimately, despite what businesses may say, they tend to go with the model that works best for them financially. There have been a lot of times in my career when it's really benefited me to view work as a purely financial transaction, and not something to get emotionally invested in.
Original post by marinade
I get where you're coming from, in that you have thought about what motivates people. An exchange of time/labour for money is a misguided view, because it doesn't take into account the power dynamic and it doesn't take into account the complexities of people (circumstances, personalities, disabilities, mental health conditions) or complexities of groups.

I think you shouldn't be hard on yourself. 3 months in the same place, however you're getting on is not being super negative. It's when people have been somewhere 18 months to 2 years that they should really be thinking like you are. That's not an endorsement for staying on btw.

It sounds like you work in a university environment. University environments at particular times of year are chaos/very slow.

Yes I'm actually quite the student of motivation - it's what I wrote my masters degree dissertation on :smile:

It is a university so I'll take that on board.
Original post by SarcAndSpark
I agree, that's not going to be good for morale- but ultimately, despite what businesses may say, they tend to go with the model that works best for them financially. There have been a lot of times in my career when it's really benefited me to view work as a purely financial transaction, and not something to get emotionally invested in.

This really helps me put things into perspective. Thank you.
Original post by DuckDodgers
This really helps me put things into perspective. Thank you.


No worries. Ironically, I'm now training to be a teacher, which does require a high degree of emotional investment in my work- but when I had grad jobs, having that perspective really helped at times.

Good luck for the future.
Original post by DuckDodgers
Yes I'm actually quite the student of motivation - it's what I wrote my masters degree dissertation on :smile:

It is a university so I'll take that on board.

Thinking of work as a financial transaction, yep, it does definitely work for some people, some people find it useful, some people can do that. In terms of the other poster's views. What I'll say on that one is that I wouldn't give up your way of seeing the world, as that's an extremely useful one in the workplace. I have a friend who is great at the financial transaction thing, almost the opposite of me, he's great at interviews, absolutely slaughters them, he's very career focused, he's a funny guy, assertive and stands up for any rights in the workplace, seen as a bit gobby and bit of a gabbler, often regrets what he's said, very funny, however he is completely hopeless at seeing why anyone does anything as a group in the workplace and it causes him a lot of worry, despite the other things he does reducing worry.

I'd see how things pick up after Easter (or not). One thing I'd say about the university environment is whether you in future want to work in that environment for the sort of stuff you want. If the answer is yes, once you get made permanent (many unis are ruthless on temporary contracts) it can be a very comfortable environment indeed. If you're not motivated by that and it'd drive you bonkers I'd see how things go.

If the other job interview was outside university v inside university, you'll definitely need to look at how you sell the experience and package it up. Could be a lot of stereotypes there which the interviewer was seeking out for you to confirm in your answers.
Original post by J-SP
Then if you leave that job, you will have even less experience, and find it equally as if not more hard to secure the next job.


Said already but I'm not green to the job market. I'm doing less in this role than I have elsewhere right now.

Edit: I get where you're coming from though.
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The clue is win the title Temp Job... :biggrin: They are not going to keep you. If they would, someone would already spoke to you to make sure that you wont walk away on your own.
Are you their temp or agency? Are you on zero hours contract? The thing is that if you tell temps that they have to go next month, they wont work hard anymore or may try to nick something.
Original post by DuckDodgers
In January I joined a new company as a temp. The first month was okay; I adjusted quickly to the department and got a healthy amount of work done, including being assigned as a project lead. Unfortunately the workload has massively decreased and I'm being ignored by senior staff which can make my job a real pain in the butt.

They hired a couple of other temps recently who've expressed similar concerns about feeling undervalued. I think we're being taken advantage of in a way as I don't see them offering us full-time positions anytime soon (they said so themselves). It's a real problem because while the money is good, I don't feel I'm learning/developing useful skills for my career.

They haven't said what they're going to do with my contract yet either. I was due to finish last week but was put on a two week 'emergency' extension - through the agency they use. I'm waiting to hear back and even if I do accept, I'm thinking about telling them that I don't think the structure of the role is good enough

Advice on the matter? TiA.

-Duck

P.S. I should point out that I'm not new to the employment market. I took this job following my master's degree which I did after a few years of working. I thought it would offer good career prospects being a big organisation, well known, etc.
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Original post by HumanBrian
The clue is win the title Temp Job... :biggrin: They are not going to keep you. If they would, someone would already spoke to you to make sure that you wont walk away on your own.
Are you their temp or agency? Are you on zero hours contract? The thing is that if you tell temps that they have to go next month, they wont work hard anymore or may try to nick something.

Yeah this is how companies I've worked for in the past deal with it but it's different here and that's sorta the problem.

I'd go back to the agency to ask for a more appropriate position but that's not how it works (Unitemps). There's a good number of temps working here at all levels who are being kept in the dark about future roles at all levels. I know that the last two temps they actually did get hired full-time were temps for a year before given a full-time contract.

I guess that's what happens when a company is on a hiring freeze.
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It is against the law to be an agency temp for more than 12 weeks. Agency staff cost lot more than you think. We are hiring temp admin people via the agency with an Arrow in it's name. temp gets paid £11/h but we pay for them £24/h, plus £900 finders fee before they even start working for us and then £4200 for keeping them permanently.
Unitemps is one of the more dodgy ones, they are likely to have clause in contract preventing them from taking you under as a full-time staff.

I think that you should shop around and see what other options you have.
Original post by DuckDodgers
Yeah this is how companies I've worked for in the past deal with it but it's different here and that's sorta the problem.

I'd go back to the agency to ask for a more appropriate position but that's not how it works (Unitemps). There's a good number of temps working here at all levels who are being kept in the dark about future roles at all levels. I know that the last two temps they actually did get hired full-time were temps for a year before given a full-time contract.

I guess that's what happens when a company is on a hiring freeze.

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