Crossed red light

Avoiding accidents supercedes all other road rules.

Uh, no it doesn't.

OP should not have crossed the line if the path was not clear.

I used to worry about ish like this now I'm past caring, doubt there was a camera, I'm pretty sure most red lights don't even have cameras, before I started driving I thought they all did you should be able to search online to see all camera locations in your city, I believe the police have to release this info. Secondly I'm pretty sure there needs to be a warning sign displayed warning drivers about cameras if there was none you are probably safe. Tbh I'm wondering if I have NIPs on the way to me but I realise it's all part of the game of driving and not much you can do about it, it's sad there isn't any lead-way on new drivers tbh, we have it the worst.

Feel free to provide us with an example where making the instant decision to not avoid an accident and to therefore go on to be involved in an accident (or greatly increase the risk in being involved in an accident) is the right thing to do in order to comply with some road rule.

Much as I hate speed cameras, red lights are a real safety issue. Anyone that sees them as advisory simply shouldn't be driving.

Driving is not a game - cars kill.

Feel free to provide us with an example where making the instant decision to not avoid an accident and to therefore go on to be involved in an accident (or greatly increase the risk in being involved in an accident) is the right thing to do in order to comply with some road rule.

For example being involved in a collision instead of ducking into a bus lane.

Or being involved in a collision instead of swerving onto and driving on a clear, gently kerbed pavement.

Or when proceeding onto a traffic light controlled junction, stopping whilst still inside the junction to avoid hitting a vehicle that looked as if it were proceeding but has instead braked sharply and is now doing a 3 point turn? Or in a similar situation where your view of the exit of the junction was blocked temporarily by a third vehicle - eg a bus that turned left off the junction (possibly with a car following closely behind you preventing you from braking sharply without risking an accident with him)? Or a similar situation where on approach it looked like the vehicle was parked and then suddenly started a 3 point turn after you entered the junction?

I agree when it comes to lights but realistically its going to happen, all we can do is learn from it

The point, as I understood it, was that you cannot defend an illegal action, that you had to take to avoid an accident, when you got into that situation by a previous illegal act. For example. if you are following a car too closely, and have to dive into a bus lane to avoid a collision when they brake, it's entirely your fault, so you should get a ticket. You are obliged to avoid the accident, but it was your actions that would have caused it.

Surely that all depends?

It's quite possible to be driving entirely legally, responsibly and safely and for factors beyond your control to lead you to have to break a road rule to avoid an accident.

For example, black ice. Or the mistakes or terrible driving of other road users. Such as a child running out from between parked vans to chase a football into a road.

We weren't there with the OP, Rahada, at the time of this red light incident. We have no idea if he or she was driving entirely correctly in the lead up to it.

And regardless, even if someone has made a mistake, they should still do whatever it takes to avoid an accident, even if it means them breaking another road rule.

And IWMTom, the law in the UK does recognise people acting under duress. When someone is put in a situation where they have to take action to avoid an accident they are acting under duress.

We weren't there with the OP, Rahada, at the time of this red light incident. We have no idea if he or she was driving entirely correctly in the lead up to it.

And regardless, even if someone has made a mistake, they should still do whatever it takes to avoid an accident, even if it means them breaking another road rule.

And IWMTom, the law in the UK does recognise people acting under duress. When someone is put in a situation where they have to take action to avoid an accident they are acting under duress.