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Your second paragraph is really misrepresenting me but I believe it's the usual you who misunderstands and then misrepresents the other users quite often and you draw the wrong conclusions.
Ad hominem. :yawn:
Who has said that all Jewish people have twisted minds?? You are very confused!! The Jewish Clergy back at the stone ages had twisted minds and they created a God
Yeah, that's anti-Semitic.

Out of interest how can the ”Jewish clergy” exist without their religion existing, and how do you reconcile yourself with the fact that Egyptian sources (who could write and who would have noticed a new religion being created by what you assume to be fraudsters) didn't ever talk about Judaism suddenly appearing from nowhere?
the God you believe in-the God of the Old Tastement, according to their twisted minds and their understanding of reality.
I believe in the Christian God, not the god of Judaism. It's testament, not tastement.
Again you conclude that Judaism is a less advanced religion. First of all, it is not less or more advanced than the other Abrahamic Religions. It is a stone age ideology just like Christianity and Islam. And the father of all Abrahamic religions.
Stone age religion implies that it's less advanced than other religions.
I don't support Brexit as it is against the National Interest. I don't think there is much doubt about this.
52% of the country disagrees.
I am very much aware of the left of Labour that wanted to leave the EU or not even to join at the first place. However labour in principle is a pro-European Party. 60% of labour voters voted to remain where on the other hand 60% of Tory voters voted to leave.
Show me where in the Labour constitution it says that Labour is pro-European.
It is really shocking that 40% of labour voters voted to leave thanks to the deception, lies, and propaganda, that emerged from the far right and spread like a virus everywhere.
Again, Euroscepticism isn't exclusive to the far right.
It is also shocking that labour voters in the North of the Country voted for Johnson so he can deliver their Brexit..

Stupidity has no limits.
No, they voted for Boris because Boris was the only candidate with a hope in hell of getting elected who was committed to getting Brexit done.
Perhaps those labour voters forgot who was responsible for the deprivation of their areas...Margaret Thacher for example ...
Harold Wilson closed more pits than Mrs Thatcher.
(Original post by Lucifer323)
Nowhere did I say that the 4th century is the dark ages. However if you take our argument from the religious threads the beginning of what we called dark ages is thr 5th century and there is no much difference between the practises and tactics of the church between these two centuries.
There's no such thing as the dark ages - irregardless Christianity was a minority faith in the 3rd century and there is a lot of difference between the tactics of a minority religion and a popular religion.
As the matter of fact the dark ages didn't start out of nowhere. The practises and tactics of the Church continued and intensified from the previous 2-3 centuries and prior to what we call datk ages, and continued with the Medivial Inquisitions during the dark ages, and the Spanish Inquisition afyer the dark ages. However there is continuity between these eras.
The Inquisition persecuted heretics, not scientists. Explain to me how Lollards or Cathars were scientists?
Again, the Spanish Inquisition didn't come out of nowhere. The tactics of the Church continued from the era of the dark ages.
Yes, in its persecution of heretics.
I think it is you who misrepresents and misunderstands others. As for you understanding of history this is not your strength as it seems...
Sproinggg! There goes my irony meter.
(Original post by Lucifer323)
Yes indeed, no matter how much you try you are not very convincing.

The lies, deception, exaggerations, and propaganda stole a lot of labour votes, and as a result 40% of labour voters voted for Brexit. I don't think there are so many far left wingers in the labour party.
Depends how you define far left. Are democratic socialists far left? Are people who support the nationalisation of railways far left? Is anyone who voted for Corbyn far left?
Eurosceptics exist in all political spectrums but mainly on the far right and right wing circles.
Far right ≠ right wing, and Jean Melenchon and George Galloway are not far right.
Let me remind you again that 60% of labour voters voted to remain in comparison with only 40% of Tory voters who voted to remain.
How did the Red Wall vote?

Middle class Labour voters in London and working class Labour voters in Doncaster are different people.
In addition the 40% of labour voters who voted to leave is a shocking figure as there are not so many Eurosceptics in the modern labour party.
The fact 40% of Labour voters voted for Brexit would show that at least 40% of Labour voters are Eurosceptics.

Remember that ”the EU is pretty crap but let's stay in and reform it” is soft Euroscepticism and was the position of a lot of people in Labour.
Why did those voters voted to leave then? For many reasons. One of them is stupidity! Just like the stupidity they have shown in the last general election in the North of the Country, voting for Johnson to deliver their Brexit...
And back we go to the same fascist *******s - that is, that anyone who doesn't vote for the Enlightened Party of Peace and Tolerance is clearly stupid and should therefore be denied a voice.
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Where are your stats from? :confused:
The last stats that I saw stated that the USA had the largest reported number of coronavirus fatalities in the world (174,255), followed by Brazil (112,304). Then Mexico (59,106) and India (54,849).
Research from the University of Pulled-Out-His-Arse I think.
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Your second paragraph is really misrepresenting me but I believe it's the usual you who misunderstands and then misrepresents the other users quite often and you draw the wrong conclusions.

Who has said that all Jewish people have twisted minds?? You are very confused!! The Jewish Clergy back at the stone ages had twisted minds and they created a God, the God you believe in-the God of the Old Tastement, according to their twisted minds and their understanding of reality.

Again you conclude that Judaism is a less advanced religion. First of all, it is not less or more advanced than the other Abrahamic Religions. It is a stone age ideology just like Christianity and Islam. And the father of all Abrahamic religions.

I don't support Brexit as it is against the National Interest. I don't think there is much doubt about this. I am very much aware of the left of Labour that wanted to leave the EU or not even to join at the first place. However labour in principle is a pro-European Party. 60% of labour voters voted to remain where on the other hand 60% of Tory voters voted to leave.

It is really shocking that 40% of labour voters voted to leave thanks to the deception, lies, and propaganda, that emerged from the far right and spread like a virus everywhere.

It is also shocking that labour voters in the North of the Country voted for Johnson so he can deliver their Brexit..

Stupidity has no limits.

Perhaps those labour voters forgot who was responsible for the deprivation of their areas...Margaret Thacher for example ...
Oh the Margaret Thatcher that campaigned passionately to join the EU, shape the EU? That woman ...
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Presicely what Miliband has said!!

And since you admit he was true it's very difficult to argue against it as I totally agree with it. What also Miliband has said a couple of years ago is that Brexit is against the National Interest. Which is obviously the case.

If a Labour Governnent was in power, even if it was the worst labour Government ever, or a coalition between the Labour and the Lib Dems or the SNP, an EU-Referendum would have never been triggered.

Only a careless and idiotic David Cameron could trigger such referendum, putting his ludicrous party interests above thr national interest.
You are not listening to what people are telling you, you never do so this is pointless. If you did you would know my opinion on EM and my passionate oppersition to referenda period. It's a waste of time talking to you because you are either

A) a troll
B) a bigot
Or
C) on some strange mission to .... oh I dont know.

Anyway crack on
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You are not listening to what people are telling you, you never do so this is pointless. If you did you would know my opinion on EM and my passionate oppersition to referenda period. It's a waste of time talking to you because you are either

A) a troll
B) a bigot
Or
C) on some strange mission to .... oh I dont know.

Anyway crack on
Yes, there some sort of weird conspiracy theory given that the 48% of the electorate voted against the ludicrous Brexit idea.

Who am I going to listen to?? Every derailed person who makes comments without considering the evidence around..
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Ad hominem. :yawn:

Yeah, that's anti-Semitic.

Out of interest how can the ”Jewish clergy” exist without their religion existing, and how do you reconcile yourself with the fact that Egyptian sources (who could write and who would have noticed a new religion being created by what you assume to be fraudsters) didn't ever talk about Judaism suddenly appearing from nowhere?

I believe in the Christian God, not the god of Judaism. It's testament, not tastement.

Stone age religion implies that it's less advanced than other religions.

52% of the country disagrees.

Show me where in the Labour constitution it says that Labour is pro-European.

Again, Euroscepticism isn't exclusive to the far right.

No, they voted for Boris because Boris was the only candidate with a hope in hell of getting elected who was committed to getting Brexit done.

Harold Wilson closed more pits than Mrs Thatcher.

There's no such thing as the dark ages - irregardless Christianity was a minority faith in the 3rd century and there is a lot of difference between the tactics of a minority religion and a popular religion.

The Inquisition persecuted heretics, not scientists. Explain to me how Lollards or Cathars were scientists?

Yes, in its persecution of heretics.

Sproinggg! There goes my irony meter.

Depends how you define far left. Are democratic socialists far left? Are people who support the nationalisation of railways far left? Is anyone who voted for Corbyn far left?

Far right ≠ right wing, and Jean Melenchon and George Galloway are not far right.

How did the Red Wall vote?

Middle class Labour voters in London and working class Labour voters in Doncaster are different people.

The fact 40% of Labour voters voted for Brexit would show that at least 40% of Labour voters are Eurosceptics.

Remember that ”the EU is pretty crap but let's stay in and reform it” is soft Euroscepticism and was the position of a lot of people in Labour.

And back we go to the same fascist *******s - that is, that anyone who doesn't vote for the Enlightened Party of Peace and Tolerance is clearly stupid and should therefore be denied a voice.
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Research from the University of Pulled-Out-His-Arse I think.
Starting from the last point, I wanted to say the larger number if of deaths in Europe and one of the largest in the world. So, don't misrepresent me for once more. I immediately corrected it.

Again those who vote for the Tories against their interests are either naive or stupid or both. The Tories have never supported the rights and interests of the working class and most of the middle classes.

Your ideas of history and that of the meaning of the words is clearly erroneous as you misunderstand pretty much everything others say and then you misrepresent them and end up with the wrong conclusions.

You are the only one around here who tries to play the card of Antisemitism. But you do it very unsuccessfully. Yes, Judaism is a stone age Ideology just like Islam & Christianity are. Even if I only criricised Judaism then by no means this is antisemitic. Only in your mind that is true and nowhere else..

Furthermore you believe in the Roman Catholic Version of the Judaic God of the Old Testament, if you haven't realised it. There is no Christian God.

Some of your paragraphs don't make musch sense...again!

The labour, regardless of the Euroskeptic Elements, just like the Lib Dems, has always been pro-European as the Majority of MPs and voters are pro-European.

The same is not true about the Tories that for once more compromised and damaged the National Interest.

You are obviously very confused in a lot of areas here...
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Oh the Margaret Thatcher that campaigned passionately to join the EU, shape the EU? That woman ...
Good morning Mr Burton,

Here we are not talking which politicians campaigned for and against the European Union.

Clearly in today's standards thr vasy majority of Labour and Lib Dems MPs are clearly pro-European.

Labour voters voted 60% for remain and 75% of Lib Dems voters voted for remain. We can conclude that those who didn't vote to remain were the Tory Voters who voted 60% leave.

This referendum was triggered by the Tories and not by Labour. If Labour eas in power or a coalition of Labour with the Lib Dems we wouldn't have become the laughing stock of Europe as there would have been no referedum at the first place...

Once, Mr Miliband was asked in relation to a proposed referenum and he simply replied that anything that jeopardizes the relationship between us and the European Union is against the National Interest. I think this is sufficient.
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There are those who vote Conservative and those who vote for the Conservative Party. The current government is one led by the Conservative Party, but is not a Conservative government. One led by a man with no morals and waste on things such as half price meals in McDonalds is not a Conservative government. One that tries to involve the Queen in a political stunt, or refuses to be interviewed on parts of the BBC and ITV is not a Conservative government.
We all know that he is a Charlatan and a clown! Together with the other members of his cabinet they make one of the most successful circus in the world.

But the circus is in town as they have been invited by one of the most stupid Electorates on Earth, if not the most stupid one.

Will the usual rhetoric:

Up Brexit
Let's take our country back
They need us more than we need them
Let's escape the oppression
Bring Back the Death Penalty
Back Boris and his circus
And other ludicrous statements...

That's why I argue that on the day elections many of those voters all they have to do is stay in their local pub, read their SUN and their Daily Mail, and give the rest of us a good break, by not going to vote!
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Don't come on here proudly parading your ignorance if you don't want to receive strong opinions in response.
Yes, I see how knowledgeable many of you are around here... From Liber to Mr Burton and from Mr Burton to you with the username L i b and an English Flag attached on your profile.

My conversations here involve a range of right wing elements who are very derailed just like the majority of Tory Supporters. I don't expect not to be questioned. And I don't come here to make friends... but to criricise those who vote for the Tories (many of those voters are really derailed) and the Tory Party that consists of so many clowns & Charlatans.

And apart from the right wing idiocy we also have Mr Burton a proclaimed Labour Supporter and Euroskeptic who is as much confused as Liber and all the other right wingers who want to take their country back from the oppression of the EU..
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Yes, I see how knowledgeable many of you are around here... From Liber to Mr Burton and from Mr Burton to you with the username L i b and an English Flag attached on your profile.
Point rather made.

For your information, I'm not English, and it's not an "English flag". It's the white ensign used mainly by the Royal Navy.

And apart from the right wing idiocy we also have Mr Burton a proclaimed Labour Supporter and Euroskeptic who is as much confused as Liber and all the other right wingers who want to take their country back from the oppression of the EU.
I, for one, was proudly involved in Britain Stronger in Europe. I wonder how many of the "OMG Brexit!!!11" types actually campaigned against it rather than just spouting ****.
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Yes, I see how knowledgeable many of you are around here... From Liber to Mr Burton and from Mr Burton to you with the username L i b and an English Flag attached on your profile.

My conversations here involve a range of right wing elements who are very derailed just like the majority of Tory Supporters. I don't expect not to be questioned. And I don't come here to make friends... but to criricise those who vote for the Tories (many of those voters are really derailed) and the Tory Party that consists of so many clowns & Charlatans.

And apart from the right wing idiocy we also have Mr Burton a proclaimed Labour Supporter and Euroskeptic who is as much confused as Liber and all the other right wingers who want to take their country back from the oppression of the EU..
This post actually made me laugh out loud, particularly the English flag bit firstly it isnt an english flag and secondly if of was, what does that matter? Sounds like more desperate ad hominem to me.

The person here who is confused just might be you
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The person here who is confused just might be you
You don't say
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You don't say
Nothing like a statement of the obvious every now and then
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Point rather made.

For your information, I'm not English, and it's not an "English flag". It's the white ensign used mainly by the Royal Navy.



I, for one, was proudly involved in Britain Stronger in Europe. I wonder how many of the "OMG Brexit!!!11" types actually campaigned against it rather than just spouting ****.
Wow!! What an argument again!
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This post actually made me laugh out loud, particularly the English flag bit firstly it isnt an english flag and secondly if of was, what does that matter? Sounds like more desperate ad hominem to me.

The person here who is confused just might be you
(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
You don't say
The two most credible users on TSR make comments and they are sarcastic... Oh dear!!

I was wondering what would have happened if indeed you had to qualify your vote with an IQ Test. Let's say the barrier was 120.

Very unlikeky that you would have qualified both. Even if it was lower around the average of 100 still it is likely that you would have experienced a lot if problems qualifying your vote...

At one point Liber claimed that IQ Tests are not very credible ir something along these lines. Yes, indeed! When you know you are going to fail you come up with all sort of excuses and arguments.
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Point rather made.

For your information, I'm not English, and it's not an "English flag". It's the white ensign used mainly by the Royal Navy.



I, for one, was proudly involved in Britain Stronger in Europe. I wonder how many of the "OMG Brexit!!!11" types actually campaigned against it rather than just spouting ****.
As if the Royal Navy Flag is not a combination of the St George's Flag and the Union Flag...

Again, what an argument you made!
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This post actually made me laugh out loud, particularly the English flag bit firstly it isnt an english flag and secondly if of was, what does that matter? Sounds like more desperate ad hominem to me.

The person here who is confused just might be you
(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
You don't say
You both made such valid snd strong arguments which makes most users unable to come up with any counter arguments and explanations...

And you are spreading some Brexit Propaganda in other threads too... But I see you are getting the usual answers.

I wish every potential voter had to qualify their votes before voting with an IQ Test..

Very unlikely for both of you to have qualified.. And most importantly, impossible for those millions of voters who spend a considerable amount of time in their local pubs, reading the SUN and the Daily Mail, and decide the future of th country in referendums and local elections.

I am sure Mr Burton as s senior member, has a lot of friends who do exactly that!

But it would have been ideal for our society If they just sit in their local pubs, enjoy their beer, read the SUN and the Mail, and give the rest of us a break!!!
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At one point Liber claimed that IQ Tests are not very credible ir something along these lines. Yes, indeed! When you know you are going to fail you come up with all sort of excuses and arguments.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...911.html%3famp

Here you go, Mr Eugenicist.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...911.html%3famp

Here you go, Mr Eugenicist.
Now is the time to ignore and stop feeding the troll mate

As tempting as it is to use ones intelligence to completely blow this persons spelling mistake ridden, error overload posts to bits, its probably not the correct thing to do - as fun as it is to point out .

Oh go on then it is fun ....

Mini queenie

It really doesn't matter anyway because IQ doesn't measure competence in the necessary fields to make informed political decisions. It measures a theoretical have the ability to pick up knowledge quicker (in the narrow fields that an IQ test measures). A person who has a high IQ can still be completely uninformed in a subject, meaning that are not superior to a person who has a low or below average IQ but who makes the effort to become informed in given subject because of circumstanual reasons, such as interest or life experiences.

That's not to mention further flaws which makes your ad hominem point even more irrelevant, for example lets say IQ test do work and measure ability to vote well. This means the only people in control of choosing our representatives are people who will be able to take political positions that are in their favor, perhaps to the detriment of less intelligent people. Politicians will begin to cater to the issues that matter to the highly intelligent, and ignore issues that matter to less intelligent people. History teaches us this is bad and will likely lead to mass poverty, suffering and revolt/violence.
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(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...911.html%3famp

Here you go, Mr Eugenicist.
(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Now is the time to ignore and stop feeding the troll mate

As tempting as it is to use ones intelligence to completely blow this persons spelling mistake ridden, error overload posts to bits, its probably not the correct thing to do - as fun as it is to point out .

Oh go on then it is fun ....

Mini queenie

It really doesn't matter anyway because IQ doesn't measure competence in the necessary fields to make informed political decisions. It measures a theoretical have the ability to pick up knowledge quicker (in the narrow fields that an IQ test measures). A person who has a high IQ can still be completely uninformed in a subject, meaning that are not superior to a person who has a low or below average IQ but who makes the effort to become informed in given subject because of circumstanual reasons, such as interest or life experiences.

That's not to mention further flaws which makes your ad hominem point even more irrelevant, for example lets say IQ test do work and measure ability to vote well. This means the only people in control of choosing our representatives are people who will be able to take political positions that are in their favor, perhaps to the detriment of less intelligent people. Politicians will begin to cater to the issues that matter to the highly intelligent, and ignore issues that matter to less intelligent people. History teaches us this is bad and will likely lead to mass poverty, suffering and revolt/violence.
Still an IQ test maybe not a diagnostic tool, and has never been, but a good prognostic tool.

By all measurements both Mr Liber and Mr Burton won't pass any of the tests or assessments....

Arguments such as

Up Brexit
Back Boris
Let's Take our Country Back
350M for the NHS
Close the Borders
Free from the Oppression of the EU
Save us from the Romanians & Burgarians
Bring Back the Death Penalty...


...show exactly the level of intelligence of those who make these claims..
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Still an IQ test maybe not a diagnostic tool, and has never been, but a good prognostic tool.
Prognostic in the way of predicting mass poverty, suffering and revolt/violence. That's kind of my point :facepalm:

(Original post by Lucifer323)
By all measurements both Mr Liber and Mr Burton won't pass any of the tests or assessments....

Arguments such as

Up Brexit
Back Boris
Let's Take our Country Back
350M for the NHS
Close the Borders
Free from the Oppression of the EU
Save us from the Romanians & Burgarians
Bring Back the Death Penalty...


...show exactly the level of intelligence of those who make these claims..
Show me where I have made any of those arguments? You know it's sometimes best to say nothing than confirm what you are
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