Do you consider UKIP good or bad?
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Original post by The Dictator
They want to scrap the minimum wage? Good! More employment!
They want to scrap maternity pay? Good! Pay for your own procreation.
They want to scrap statutory holiday allowance? Good! Pay for your own vacation. No one in my family has EVER had a holiday abroad, and my parents work just about as hard as anyone. You don't see me complaining. If we want to go abroad we'll pay for it. Why should I give my tax pounds for someone to chill out on the other side of the Atlantic?
As for the bit about intolerance for women, where is your source?
They want to scrap maternity pay? Good! Pay for your own procreation.
They want to scrap statutory holiday allowance? Good! Pay for your own vacation. No one in my family has EVER had a holiday abroad, and my parents work just about as hard as anyone. You don't see me complaining. If we want to go abroad we'll pay for it. Why should I give my tax pounds for someone to chill out on the other side of the Atlantic?
As for the bit about intolerance for women, where is your source?
1 - more people in employment means nothing without a minimum wage, because without it more people will be unable to afford living costs on their own, and will need benefits to top that up. High employment is useless if it's not properly paid.
2. So, having kids should be the sole reserve of the rich? Awful idea.
3. Do you know what statutory holiday allowance actually is? It's not paying for people's holiday, it's the legal setup for holiday time - I.e. preventing employers from making people work 365 days a year.
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Original post by Quady
About three months ago Farage tore up most of the policies...
What is the UKIP policy on tax? Does anyone know? Why is the flat tax out? Or did I miss something and its back to being the policy?
What is the UKIP policy on tax? Does anyone know? Why is the flat tax out? Or did I miss something and its back to being the policy?
Since when was the flat tax out?
I reckon UKIP policies are going to be like Farage's expenses... anyone else remember 5 years ago (!!!!) when he said he was going to publish quarterly expenses and then actually bothered to do it. Similairly he'll keep 'policies' as close to his chest as possible save people actually work out that he couldn't give two ****s about them or their problems.
Original post by Rakas21
I say thankyou to the 72% of people who did not vote Ukip.
Considering only 34% of people even bothered to show up at all, a more accurate statement would require you to thank the approx 91% of people eligible to vote for not voting UKIP.
Original post by mojojojo101
Since when was the flat tax out?
Since January when he was questioned on the 2010 manefesto and said it was all junk. More recently:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/04/about-that-ukip-tax-policy/
Original post by Quady
About three months ago Farage tore up most of the policies...
What is the UKIP policy on tax? Does anyone know? Why is the flat tax out? Or did I miss something and its back to being the policy?
What is the UKIP policy on tax? Does anyone know? Why is the flat tax out? Or did I miss something and its back to being the policy?
Manifesto for Doncaster coming out soon. Calm down and wait then assess the policies.
Think they're quite radical which will always (at the very start) be a bad thing until/if people adjust. I'm really undecided in general, I think it''s good that they've gotten so much support because it's actually given a message to the coalition and to the EU that Britain is fed up and wants some kind of reform. However, I wouldn't be surprised if people are just voting them because they think immigration is causing every problem and don't pay attention to the fact services like the NHS would be privatised (and I simply know there will be riots if anyone tries to do that 
) under a UKIP government.
Yeah I am pretty undecided - I think there a few nutters in the party, but at least they're bold enough to stand up and whole heartedly say "we are fed of the EU and we want out".
) under a UKIP government.Yeah I am pretty undecided - I think there a few nutters in the party, but at least they're bold enough to stand up and whole heartedly say "we are fed of the EU and we want out".
Original post by redferry
If they do it for profit then yes. To me that seems immoral.
So the drug companies that provide the drugs, the pharmacies that dispense the drugs and advice, the clinicians who are registered as private businesses. The private hospitals that provide specialist treatment around the country (such as certain types of IVF that was only available in one London NHS hospital). All of these businesses are immoral?
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
1 - more people in employment means nothing without a minimum wage, because without it more people will be unable to afford living costs on their own
You aren't old enough to remember pre-minimum wage are you?
Pssst it was fine, honest. People didn't starve.
Original post by Welsh Bluebird
Manifesto for Doncaster coming out soon. Calm down and wait then assess the policies.
Sorry, you were the one who told me and this thread to study the policies.
There aren't any right now...
Original post by geokinkladze
You aren't old enough to remember pre-minimum wage are you?
Pssst it was fine, honest. People didn't starve.
Pssst it was fine, honest. People didn't starve.
No, I was 6 when it was introduced, but you completely ignore the actual point - that is that the minimum wage is an important thing since it guarantees those in employment a living wage: you take that away and allow companies to pay as little as they like, and wages, particularly for the younger members of the workforce, will fall. Having high employment means nothing if wages are low, that much is obvious.
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Having high employment means nothing if wages are low, that much is obvious.
With no qualifications to speak of my brother was paid a pittance (yet paid more than some of his mates) but was thankful for the work. He supplemented this by working Saturdays washing hair. That experience encouraged him to get training and work his way up. The last job he turned down only offered him £60k per year.
Leave the market to set the rate and allow people to work their way up. Those who deserve it will get it. That much is obvious.
Original post by geokinkladze
With no qualifications to speak of my brother was paid a pittance (yet paid more than some of his mates) but was thankful for the work. He supplemented this by working Saturdays washing hair. That experience encouraged him to get training and work his way up. The last job he turned down only offered him £60k per year.
Leave the market to set the rate and allow people to work their way up. Those who deserve it will get it. That much is obvious.
Leave the market to set the rate and allow people to work their way up. Those who deserve it will get it. That much is obvious.
And those who don't 'deserve' it... or just don't get it?
If you don't have employers paying a decent wage, the State ends up paying the bill.
Original post by InnerTemple
And those who don't 'deserve' it... or just don't get it?
If you don't have employers paying a decent wage, the State ends up paying the bill.
If you don't have employers paying a decent wage, the State ends up paying the bill.
Exactly, so people shouldn't be priced out of work.
Original post by geokinkladze
Exactly, so people shouldn't be priced out of work.
Original post by InnerTemple
Economics isn't THAT hard.
Original post by geokinkladze
Economics isn't THAT hard.
Maybe, but understanding what you mean from a sentence that makes no sense is.
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
1 - more people in employment means nothing without a minimum wage, because without it more people will be unable to afford living costs on their own, and will need benefits to top that up. High employment is useless if it's not properly paid.
2. So, having kids should be the sole reserve of the rich? Awful idea.
3. Do you know what statutory holiday allowance actually is? It's not paying for people's holiday, it's the legal setup for holiday time - I.e. preventing employers from making people work 365 days a year.
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2. So, having kids should be the sole reserve of the rich? Awful idea.
3. Do you know what statutory holiday allowance actually is? It's not paying for people's holiday, it's the legal setup for holiday time - I.e. preventing employers from making people work 365 days a year.
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Well firstly, perhaps if benefits were lowered companies would actually be forced to pay their workers a living wage because there is no point to them working unless they can barely sustain themselves. Benefits should be for people who have truly fallen on hard times, not just a top up for low wages.
And having kids should not necessarily be the sole preserve of the rich, but it is not a human right for the entire population to have kids either. Have kids if you can afford it. If you can't, screw it. About over a hundred years ago it was the poor who had the most children because they needed them to work in the factories. Paying for people to have children means they will neglect responsibility for family planning onto the state. If someone knows the state is going to pay for all her children, why will she bother taking precautions about how many she has? I may as well have 20 children, because the state will help pay for each and every one of them.
As for statutory allowance, I misunderstood what it was, but now I know I suppose it can stay.
Original post by mrfletch
I love their new logo
how is that their new logo? where did you even find that?
Original post by RobertsClan
It doesn't cost us billions being a member of the EU in fact we receive much more money to subsidise things like back to work programmes, training and money to reduce pollution from agriculture are just a few.
Not being in the EU won't help fighting terrorism either. I'm afraid anyone suggesting all UKIP stands for isn't able to see the bigger picture. UKIP are just the BNP in suits, an interview with the founder of UKIP was in the Guardian newspaper he left the party because of the racism and prejudice in the party and the desire that many members of the party, including Nigel Farage had to recruit BNP candidates to UKIP.
I also find it ironic that he doesn't want to allow European immigrants into the UK but his wife is German. Doesn't that make her an immigrant?
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Not being in the EU won't help fighting terrorism either. I'm afraid anyone suggesting all UKIP stands for isn't able to see the bigger picture. UKIP are just the BNP in suits, an interview with the founder of UKIP was in the Guardian newspaper he left the party because of the racism and prejudice in the party and the desire that many members of the party, including Nigel Farage had to recruit BNP candidates to UKIP.
I also find it ironic that he doesn't want to allow European immigrants into the UK but his wife is German. Doesn't that make her an immigrant?
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The problem with most people on here is that they don't understand what UKIP stands for, it does want to allow in European immigrants, but only those who make a difference. They aren't going to ban every single person coming in because even UKIP knows some immigration is important. UKIP recognises the contribution immigrants have to the economy, but they want to get rid of the immigrants who have a negative impact on the economy, who come here to scrounge. If a polish guy or girl wants to come in here as they have been offered a job, they will be allowed in. If a person with no job on offer, and no way to survive wants to come to England, he would be told sorry, but we don't have the time to look after you
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