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I'm sick of all these threads moaning about things being better in other countries...

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People are always going to compare and make judgements of other countries, it's just what happens.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
So what you are saying is immigrants play an important role in wage repression and undermine UK working conditions/rights?


You don't think the onus should be on the government to spend resources properly enforcing things like the National Minimum Wage and gangmasters?
Original post by Fullofsurprises
You don't think the onus should be on the government to spend resources properly enforcing things like the National Minimum Wage and gangmasters?


Yes. But we are talking about a government that believes in the natural rate of unemployment and implements policies that result in wage repression. Why is this government going to be increase the min wage?? :confused:

If immigration is being used to keep labour costs down then the working class do have a reason to be against immigration as it is being implemented. Even if this concern is expressed in a xenophobic and not very rational way. To just assume immigration is automatically a good thing in itself is a bit stupid which is something people on the so called left seem to do imo. I mean the unions complain about foreigners willing to undercut English labour etc. Weakening unions and then allowing say the poles to come over who are happy to work for sod all really does reduce the quality of life for people. It doesn't make you a racist to think so.

Maybe if there was a more vocal group on the left expressing these concerns then the old labour type voters wouldn't be turning to a Thatcherism on steroids party full of xenophobes and homophobes :s-smilie:

But then johnny foreigner does make a good scape goat. You can't blame immigrants for say the way the banks create money when dealing with loans and mortgages.
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Original post by Gott
Alles ist besser in Deutschland


:yawn:
Original post by DorianGrayism
Tbh, the only one that is arrogant enough to make generalisations about millions of people is yourself.

You generalised yourself below :rolleyes:


No one ever claims that Britain or the British are better than everyone else because it is an absurd statement to make.

There's a good minority of people within the UK that do. Britain is pretty arrogant as is Germany.
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Love how contradictory the replies to this thread are. So many agreeing with the sentiment that the UK sucks - and then going on the relate why - with the other half of the replies wittering on about countries that are better - in entirely contradictory terms to the first half.
This is why we should be grateful about the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30500439
Original post by Fidus Achates
You generalised yourself below :rolleyes:


Nope. I didn't say that all generalisations were incorrect / bad.

I said yours was made up and was bad since it talked about millions in a derogatory manner.

Original post by Fidus Achates

There's a good minority of people within the UK that do. Britain is pretty arrogant as is Germany.


Again. Just making things up.

Please point out the polls which show that a "good minority" think they are better than everyone else.

Let me give you a hint. They don't exist.
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Original post by miniteen
I come from France. I feel we have a better health system than the NHS.

From what I've seen, A-levels are actually really bad. They barely scrape the surface of subjects - you go into more depth with the French baccalaureate than you do A-levels. They don't teach students how to work hard, they do not require enough hours (vs. the baccalaureate where I had like 45 hours a week). I went to both SOAS and LSE, and the only people I actually saw working hard were the international/EU students.

The weather is better in Paris than it is the UK. It's raining/grey all the time there. That was sarcasm right?

EDIT: And I have to say that higher education should, imo, cater to all sorts of people. The US system is great for people who are still unsure about what they want to do. At 18, few people actually know what they want to specialise in. It's great that you don't have to waste precious years of youth studying for a degree that will be a real waste of time. It's also great for people with eclectic interests. But it doesn't suit people who know exactly what they want to study - which is why I chose the UK.


That all sounds marvellous. :smile:

Strange then that so very many French people want to, er, cough, come to live in the UK.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
That all sounds marvellous. :smile:

Strange then that so very many French people want to, er, cough, come to live in the UK.


Taxes. Have you heard of them in France?

EDIT: But the UK still doesn't do Taxes best, so I didn't put it in the list. :wink:
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Original post by miniteen
Taxes. Have you heard of them in France?

EDIT: But the UK still doesn't do Taxes best, so I didn't put it in the list. :wink:


No no. It's the food that brings the French here.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
No no. It's the food that brings the French here.


Oh yes, that overcooked beefsteak! And the amazing cheese! Not to mention all the fish and chips, mmmmmh!

You did make me laugh though. Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that there are more job opportunities in the UK though, or at least there seem to be.
Original post by miniteen
Oh yes, that overcooked beefsteak! And the amazing cheese! Not to mention all the fish and chips, mmmmmh!

You did make me laugh though. Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that there are more job opportunities in the UK though, or at least there seem to be.

That's nice regarding the job opportunities comment. :smile:
Original post by jammy4041
Have you been outside the UK to find out?

Customer service is so much better in the United States...it's not even funny.


Um... customer service? Not sure if you're being serious. Seems like an outrageously silly thing to base an opinion of a country on, especially since it varies so much between day to day, company to company, shop to shop...
I love the United Kingdom. Well, quite a few things about it, anyway. The beautiful countryside, the interesting history, the British sense of humour, the general friendliness, the acceptance of eccentricity, the show of determination when necessary, the general display of good manners, the NHS, the generosity shown in charity appeals... I could go on.

That's not to say that everything is perfect. There is a lot of inequality, for example, and I think that we should have the PR voting system rather than FPTP. There are also things that we could learn from other countries. We could learn from the Netherlands how to deal with floods, and learn from Scandinavia about how to drive down re-offending rates amongst prisoners. On the whole, though, there's a lot that's good here :smile:.
Original post by Kittiara
I love the United Kingdom. Well, quite a few things about it, anyway. The beautiful countryside, the interesting history, the British sense of humour, the general friendliness, the acceptance of eccentricity, the show of determination when necessary, the general display of good manners, the NHS, the generosity shown in charity appeals... I could go on.

That's not to say that everything is perfect. There is a lot of inequality, for example, and I think that we should have the PR voting system rather than FPTP. There are also things that we could learn from other countries. We could learn from the Netherlands how to deal with floods, and learn from Scandinavia about how to drive down re-offending rates amongst prisoners. On the whole, though, there's a lot that's good here :smile:.

If there wasn't limits on giving reputation, I'd give you it 10000000000,0000000000000000,000000000,00000000000 times over! :yep: :hugs:
Original post by pinkteddyx64
If there wasn't limits on giving reputation, I'd give you it 10000000000,0000000000000000,000000000,00000000000 times over! :yep: :hugs:


Aww thank you! :colondollar: :hugs:
Original post by Kittiara
Aww thank you! :colondollar: :hugs:


I especially loved the comment about the Scandinavian approach to crime, especially when the majority of people say we should take the far eastern approach to it.
Original post by pinkteddyx64
I especially loved the comment about the Scandinavian approach to crime, especially when the majority of people say we should take the far eastern approach to it.


I think that there's a tendency towards emotional responses, especially when it comes to horrible crimes. That's understandable. When I read about some crimes that are committed, I feel horrified as well. It's the reason why we have a justice system - if we acted out of emotion, and a desire for revenge, we'd slide into brutality.

The Scandinavian approach appears to work. I'd especially favour it for those who have not committed crimes that make them a genuine danger to society. When it comes to killers who have no remorse and have no way of ever being rehabilitated (to name one example), then I see no alternative but to leave them in prison for the rest of their lives. I still wouldn't favour a brutal treatment of them whilst they are in prison, because it's a measure of our society how we treat those who are in the hands of our state.

Right now, we're actually moving backwards in our efforts to rehabilitate prisoners. What with privatisation, education programs risk being cut. Prisons are too crowded, and understaffed. Except for in exceptional circumstances, people in prison are not permitted to receive parcels, and that can lead to those people being without basic necessities, such as underwear, or even female hygiene products - prisoners can earn a bit of money and purchase items from the prison shop or through a catalogue, but not every prisoner can work. Such issues are distinctly unhelpful if we want people to reintegrate upon their release.
Original post by Gott
Don't want to start another NHS thread but why do you think so highly of it? It is a monolithic socialist relic of the 20th century, which has its unquestioning support from the legacy of a generation who actually believed in socialism as a cosy, utopian alternative to austerity and from the BBC, another relic who paradoxically survived the 1980s. In fact it is, I can only suppose, looked down upon by the rest of Europe as a misfit, seeing as they would hear, if anyone, the fanatical labour supporters saying how grateful they are for the NHS and 'free health care' for all, where when someone living on the continent needs health care, they go to private hospitals, who are refunded the cost by the tax payer, thus avoiding neglectful nurses and incompetent doctors (who imagine they are owed something by the state funded NHS), who I have had experience of. They have innumerable Hospitals, the thought of going to which can insight genuine fear and have repeatedly wasted billions of pounds on new schemes. It is exactly the sort of serious problem which should not be sited as treasured institutions, which the UK has over neighbours, as it will be so ardently defended by idiotic labour supporters, who would say: 'I don't know what I'd do without the NHS', where in fact other Europeans would never have to think about their health system, knowing that doctors have no less sympathy for their patients, and doubtless more awareness of their responsibilities, seeing as any sign of incompetence would be immediately noticed and they would get the sack, while of course what these people can't seem to understand is that it is free


I value the NHS, because I have experienced a different healthcare model. In the Netherlands, everyone has to pay for health insurance. This health insurance is not cheap (a very basic package is around 90 - 100 Euros per month and for decent coverage you're looking at quite a bit more), what's included in the coverage is becoming less and less, and on top of that people still have to pay at least 375 Euros "own risk" every year, which means that if you fall ill the first 375 Euros won't be covered. This isn't a problem if you have money, but if you don't have a lot of money, or you find yourself between jobs, you're in trouble.

Now, I'd be the first to admit that whilst I was there I received excellent care, but there are still bad doctors, and mistakes are still made, and there are still unsympathetic nurses, and patients who aren't looked after as well as they should be. My grandmother spent a lot of time in the hospital last year, and there were problems due to understaffing/overworked staff and misdiagnosis. Patients are sent back home ridiculously early at times, after serious surgery, due to a shortage of beds. My grandfather was sent home two days after having heart surgery. So, the grass isn't always that much greener.

I value the NHS because I know that no matter my financial circumstances, I have access to pretty good healthcare. Yes, there are problems. Mental health, for one, is woefully underfunded. I'd much rather have our healthcare model than one where care depends on your ability to pay, though.

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