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Original post by Telanian
Spot on.
Dunny98: what you did does constitute theft. As others have eloquently explained, those coupons were not yours to take, regardless of whether or not the customer wanted them.
That said, it seems you were acting entirely in good faith. Your best way forward is to be completely open and honest with those investigating. Tell them what you did and that you now understand why it constitutes theft. Tell them precisely why you did it and why you believed, at the time, it was ok. Make it absolutely clear you're very sorry and, if you are allowed to keep your job, you absolutely will not do it again. And return any coupons that you still have!
Dunny98: what you did does constitute theft. As others have eloquently explained, those coupons were not yours to take, regardless of whether or not the customer wanted them.
That said, it seems you were acting entirely in good faith. Your best way forward is to be completely open and honest with those investigating. Tell them what you did and that you now understand why it constitutes theft. Tell them precisely why you did it and why you believed, at the time, it was ok. Make it absolutely clear you're very sorry and, if you are allowed to keep your job, you absolutely will not do it again. And return any coupons that you still have!
ok buddy thanks!
Original post by blahbleeblah
This.
If I was your manager I'd give you a chance because you acted innocently and didn't realise, and the vouchers are worth what? A couple of pence?
If I was your manager I'd give you a chance because you acted innocently and didn't realise, and the vouchers are worth what? A couple of pence?
I have taken a couple of vouchers , i think one was worth like 2.43 then one worth 4.33 and another for like 80-90p, its only been a few occasions, i did not have any intention of stealing them, as i actually spent them in the store, who would steal vouchers and then spend them in the store? I did not realise i was stealing and had no intention which i am going to bring up in the meeting that i had no intention. I will also apologize all i can and promise them it will never happen again, i think im also going to say to them i was really enjoying my first 4 weeks and that i have relationships with the colleagues already which i wont want to break for the sake of a few pound in vouchers that i didnt realize i stole.
Fingers crossded guys, thanks for all your help and opinions.
Billy
Original post by DUNNY98
Now i havent actually been stealing coupons, a few customers over the past month refused there receipt and did not want it, so i thought i would take the money off coupons that was with the reciept so they did not go to waste. This is not stealing is it?
Now i havent actually been stealing coupons, a few customers over the past month refused there receipt and did not want it, so i thought i would take the money off coupons that was with the reciept so they did not go to waste. This is not stealing is it?
I'm afraid that seems like a case of banged to rights theft, and the fact you didn't realise that, from an employer's perspective, suggests such a lack of awareness that you are a risk to the business. I suspect you need to start asking family and friends for any job opportunities you can get without having to explain why you were dismissed from Sainsbury's. I can't see any retail employer letting that go.
Original post by DUNNY98
Hi i have recently been pulled in to the managers office half way through a shift due to allegedly stealing coupons, and i will have a meeting this week to discuss the case, they also say they have evidence to believe i have been stealing the coupons( money off coupons).
Now i havent actually been stealing coupons, a few customers over the past month refused there receipt and did not want it, so i thought i would take the money off coupons that was with the reciept so they did not go to waste. This is not stealing is it?
I havent actually stolen any coupons from the till or held any coupons back from customers, i have always gave there reciept to them along with any promotions that came with it. I have only taken a few coupons that customers did not want.
Now i am extremely worried has i have been allegedly accused of stealing coupons and it leads to Gross misconduct, and i am worried of losing my job as they are investigating the case and i have to go in for a meeting , and also i can bring a Representative. Will i lose my job? im very worried, please give me some advice. Cheers
Now i havent actually been stealing coupons, a few customers over the past month refused there receipt and did not want it, so i thought i would take the money off coupons that was with the reciept so they did not go to waste. This is not stealing is it?
I havent actually stolen any coupons from the till or held any coupons back from customers, i have always gave there reciept to them along with any promotions that came with it. I have only taken a few coupons that customers did not want.
Now i am extremely worried has i have been allegedly accused of stealing coupons and it leads to Gross misconduct, and i am worried of losing my job as they are investigating the case and i have to go in for a meeting , and also i can bring a Representative. Will i lose my job? im very worried, please give me some advice. Cheers
I'll be honest, you're pretty screwed here. The coupons, while waste, do not belong to you and you get a financial benefit from taking them. The advice others have provided, esp russellsteadepot, is the best youre going to get.
Unfortunately it does not look good for you and it is extremely likely you will be dismissed.
The most important thing you need to focus on now is damage limitation.
How long have you been working for Sainsbury's? If it is a short amount of time (2 months or less) you should just omit this from your CV and future job applications as it may make it difficult when they want to obtain a reference from Sainsbury's or ask you why you left this position.
Or even better still try and plead with your manager to voluntarily hand your notice in but this may not work.
The most important thing you need to focus on now is damage limitation.
How long have you been working for Sainsbury's? If it is a short amount of time (2 months or less) you should just omit this from your CV and future job applications as it may make it difficult when they want to obtain a reference from Sainsbury's or ask you why you left this position.
Or even better still try and plead with your manager to voluntarily hand your notice in but this may not work.
I think it would be extremely harsh to sack me under the circumstances that i have been stealing, i dont think it is a serious matter, its not like i went in to the till and took hundreds of pounds, i didnt know i was in the wrong? I honestly thought they were the customers and if they didnt use them, why go to waste? I am new at the company and been there for 2 months, had a good 4 week review, i also asked my manager what would happen if im found guilty, and her reply was that ' we will see if we need to take it further', if i actually held the coupons behind without giving them to the customer then that would be a proper reason to sack me, not sacking me because i didnt know that you werent aloud to use coupons if the customer didnt want them? I am going to try my best to keep the job and convince them that it was a big mistake and it wont happen again? Its a customer service role? its not bad customer service is it? Its not making me look bad to customers? I think it is a bit over the top if im honest, they should give me the benefit of the doubt as im new, its not like ive been working there for years and know the ins and outs of sainsburys and the rules? when they closed my till they acted like i commited murder, they didnt say one word, just moved all the customers shopping and said they needed to speak to me. The Security guard told me i was having a random search, and lied, he escorted me to the manager so i could speak about this matter and get accused of Gross Misconduct. The security guard looked like he wanted to take a punch at me and i felt alienated ! I think it was a disgrace on how they dealt with the situation at the time.
Original post by DUNNY98
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When you know the result of the meeting, you probably need to reflect on how different your perspective is from the company's. If you want to work in retail, frankly, if you want to work, you probably need to completely re-adjust your view of what is acceptable behaviour from an employee with regard to theft and use of company resources. You currently seem to be completely out of touch with standards of professional behaviour as an employee.
How seriously they seem to be taking it (Security escorting you, formal meetings, suggestions of gross misconduct) is how seriously all employers would take what you did.
Original post by DUNNY98
I think it would be extremely harsh to sack me under the circumstances that i have been stealing, i dont think it is a serious matter, its not like i went in to the till and took hundreds of pounds, i didnt know i was in the wrong? I honestly thought they were the customers and if they didnt use them, why go to waste? I am new at the company and been there for 2 months, had a good 4 week review, i also asked my manager what would happen if im found guilty, and her reply was that ' we will see if we need to take it further', if i actually held the coupons behind without giving them to the customer then that would be a proper reason to sack me, not sacking me because i didnt know that you werent aloud to use coupons if the customer didnt want them? I am going to try my best to keep the job and convince them that it was a big mistake and it wont happen again? Its a customer service role? its not bad customer service is it? Its not making me look bad to customers? I think it is a bit over the top if im honest, they should give me the benefit of the doubt as im new, its not like ive been working there for years and know the ins and outs of sainsburys and the rules? when they closed my till they acted like i commited murder, they didnt say one word, just moved all the customers shopping and said they needed to speak to me. The Security guard told me i was having a random search, and lied, he escorted me to the manager so i could speak about this matter and get accused of Gross Misconduct. The security guard looked like he wanted to take a punch at me and i felt alienated ! I think it was a disgrace on how they dealt with the situation at the time.
I'm going to be brutally honest. Because I think you need it.
If I were your manager, and this were the attitude you take before me at the hearing, I'm firing you instantly.
No hesitation. No regret.
I'm firing you because you say you don't think this is serious. Wrong! All theft is serious. No employer can tolerate an employee who steals anything, no matter how small. Any amount of theft breaks the trust an employer needs to have in its employee.
You say you deserve the benefit of the doubt because you're new. Wrong again. It's your actions that determine whether you deserve the benefit of the doubt, not your length of service. If you show genuine remorse, and demonstrate that you genuinely understand why you are completely 100% in the wrong here, and that you genuinely misunderstood what was and was not acceptable, then, given the relatively small nature of the offence, you might merit the benefit of the doubt.
But if you can't shift this chip on your shoulder - in the way I suggested in my previous post - I think you're gone. It's that simple.
Original post by Telanian
I'm going to be brutally honest. Because I think you need it.
If I were your manager, and this were the attitude you take before me at the hearing, I'm firing you instantly.
No hesitation. No regret.
I'm firing you because you say you don't think this is serious. Wrong! All theft is serious. No employer can tolerate an employee who steals anything, no matter how small. Any amount of theft breaks the trust an employer needs to have in its employee.
You say you deserve the benefit of the doubt because you're new. Wrong again. It's your actions that determine whether you deserve the benefit of the doubt, not your length of service. If you show genuine remorse, and demonstrate that you genuinely understand why you are completely 100% in the wrong here, and that you genuinely misunderstood what was and was not acceptable, then, given the relatively small nature of the offence, you might merit the benefit of the doubt.
But if you can't shift this chip on your shoulder - in the way I suggested in my previous post - I think you're gone. It's that simple.
If I were your manager, and this were the attitude you take before me at the hearing, I'm firing you instantly.
No hesitation. No regret.
I'm firing you because you say you don't think this is serious. Wrong! All theft is serious. No employer can tolerate an employee who steals anything, no matter how small. Any amount of theft breaks the trust an employer needs to have in its employee.
You say you deserve the benefit of the doubt because you're new. Wrong again. It's your actions that determine whether you deserve the benefit of the doubt, not your length of service. If you show genuine remorse, and demonstrate that you genuinely understand why you are completely 100% in the wrong here, and that you genuinely misunderstood what was and was not acceptable, then, given the relatively small nature of the offence, you might merit the benefit of the doubt.
But if you can't shift this chip on your shoulder - in the way I suggested in my previous post - I think you're gone. It's that simple.
100% agree with this. I don't even think even now the OP sees it as theft, but it is theft and as an employer I would dismiss them too. Personally I think prepare for the worst anyway, I don't think the OP will be offered the benefit of doubt even if genuinely remorseful (which they aren't) as it would set a precedent for other employees to take a voucher, bruised fruit, something from the skip round the back etc..
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Original post by DUNNY98
I think it would be extremely harsh to sack me under the circumstances that i have been stealing, i dont think it is a serious matter, its not like i went in to the till and took hundreds of pounds, i didnt know i was in the wrong? I honestly thought they were the customers and if they didnt use them, why go to waste? I am new at the company and been there for 2 months, had a good 4 week review, i also asked my manager what would happen if im found guilty, and her reply was that ' we will see if we need to take it further', if i actually held the coupons behind without giving them to the customer then that would be a proper reason to sack me, not sacking me because i didnt know that you werent aloud to use coupons if the customer didnt want them? I am going to try my best to keep the job and convince them that it was a big mistake and it wont happen again? Its a customer service role? its not bad customer service is it? Its not making me look bad to customers? I think it is a bit over the top if im honest, they should give me the benefit of the doubt as im new, its not like ive been working there for years and know the ins and outs of sainsburys and the rules? when they closed my till they acted like i commited murder, they didnt say one word, just moved all the customers shopping and said they needed to speak to me. The Security guard told me i was having a random search, and lied, he escorted me to the manager so i could speak about this matter and get accused of Gross Misconduct. The security guard looked like he wanted to take a punch at me and i felt alienated ! I think it was a disgrace on how they dealt with the situation at the time.
You are not a victim here I am afraid, the process Sainsburys used it exactly the same process any employer would use in any industry where someone was under suspicion of theft. Remove you from a situation where you could potentially do what you have been doing or worse, explain why, remove you from the premises and bring you back at a specified time with representation if required for a formal disciplinary which will likely lead to dismissal.
Agree with the others, I would miss this off your CV and try again somewhere else. Tell your family and friends the truth and see how they perceive the situation....victim or abuse of the system for personal benefit?
Original post by DUNNY98
I think it would be extremely harsh to sack me under the circumstances that i have been stealing, i dont think it is a serious matter, its not like i went in to the till and took hundreds of pounds, i didnt know i was in the wrong? I honestly thought they were the customers and if they didnt use them, why go to waste? I am new at the company and been there for 2 months, had a good 4 week review, i also asked my manager what would happen if im found guilty, and her reply was that ' we will see if we need to take it further', if i actually held the coupons behind without giving them to the customer then that would be a proper reason to sack me, not sacking me because i didnt know that you werent aloud to use coupons if the customer didnt want them? I am going to try my best to keep the job and convince them that it was a big mistake and it wont happen again? Its a customer service role? its not bad customer service is it? Its not making me look bad to customers? I think it is a bit over the top if im honest, they should give me the benefit of the doubt as im new, its not like ive been working there for years and know the ins and outs of sainsburys and the rules? when they closed my till they acted like i commited murder, they didnt say one word, just moved all the customers shopping and said they needed to speak to me. The Security guard told me i was having a random search, and lied, he escorted me to the manager so i could speak about this matter and get accused of Gross Misconduct. The security guard looked like he wanted to take a punch at me and i felt alienated ! I think it was a disgrace on how they dealt with the situation at the time.
Looking at it from a retail perspective, retailers lose hundreds of thousands of pounds from vouchers. That's company money that you have used, which in effect, you have stolen, and effectively abused your position as a cashier, in that you wouldn't have access to the coupons had you just been a.
I remember someone saying that somebody from ASDA, who worked in the cash office (in charge of applying the vouchers) effectively did the same thing. Granted, to a much worst extent, but she cheated the company -- and saved her self over £100,000. She brought a lot of nice things with it, which raised suspicions and went to jail for a long time.
I'm not saying that what you did deserves a prison sentence or anything, but what you have done is significant reason for the company to sack you, because you were in a position of trust and abused that.
The only hope is to get union representation in your hearing -- as a Sainsbury's employee you should automatically be part of a union, and plead your innocence. You will have to answer their obvious point, which would almost certainly be, "you were in a position of trust" and their second point, in that you could have (read should have) called a supervisor if you were unsure.
Your best hope is to say how things were good in the first month, and end up with an extended probation period, but I'm afraid, the chances are slim.
Keep your head up, you can -- and will, move on from this.
Might as well hand in your notice as a matter of urgency. Your only get your P45 either way.
Original post by DUNNY98
I think it would be extremely harsh to sack me under the circumstances that i have been stealing, i dont think it is a serious matter, its not like i went in to the till and took hundreds of pounds, i didnt know i was in the wrong? I
It doesn't matter what you think, Theft is theft. If you didn't know then why not switch that brain of yours on and ask?
Your a disgrace to the company.
Don't play the odds, play the man. Get dirt on the manager and blackmail him. It's a dirty trick but it'll make sure you win, I've done it countless amount of times. But on a massively smaller level like joking around.
Unfortunately that is classed as stealing. I use to work at Thorpe Park and we couldn't take things that people didnt want... It was always a 1 way ticket to the dump!
I understand you were unaware of what to do in the situation. Were you not informed of any such proceedings and what may be classified as gross misconduct? At Thorpe we were, so if you were not thats a small leg to stand on. But from the looks of things you may be dismissed. My advice would be to resign so that it doesnt show on your job record. You may still have to go to the meeting though, but its better than getting fired.
I understand you were unaware of what to do in the situation. Were you not informed of any such proceedings and what may be classified as gross misconduct? At Thorpe we were, so if you were not thats a small leg to stand on. But from the looks of things you may be dismissed. My advice would be to resign so that it doesnt show on your job record. You may still have to go to the meeting though, but its better than getting fired.
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