Being fired from work for misconduct

Original post by Driver23

Hi i’m just wondering I’m very anxious at the moment and would like to clear my worries abit more

So if I was to be let go from my work for gross misconduct and just didn’t put it on my cv and left no reference of this on my cv at all would it still taint my chances of being employed when it comes to background checks or with me not mentioning it does this not go against me at all as I haven’t mentioned nor referenced me working there

When they ask what you were doing during that period of time (a few months?) are you just planning to lie?

When you present your P45 (which they'll need from your previous employer for tax purposes), how are you planning on explaining the fact that the company is one you've not mentioned on your CV?

Reply 2

Zarek

Universities Forum Helper

How long were you there for. I would create a minor gap that you need to lie about of more than a few months. It’s probably better to smooth overthe reason for leaving

Reply 3

Admit-One

Check with the HR department whether a reference would state the reason for your exit. Many don’t, and will just give your employment dates and job title.

If that’s the case, just leave it on you CV and if needs be explain constructively the reasons why you maybe weren’t happy there and looked for other opportunities.

I don’t think any application process has asked me whether I’ve been dismissed. They’ve all been skills and experience based.

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Miss Pulford

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if an application process asks if you have been dismissed you better mention it as then you;d have lied on the application which guess what, is another sure fire Gross Misconduct

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User197389

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There is a particular job I’ve had for a few months that didn’t end well and I have left this off my CV and do not want to mention in any job applications.
What I’m worried is whether employers can see your full work history regardless, like through the HMRC.

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Original post by User197389

There is a particular job I’ve had for a few months that didn’t end well and I have left this off my CV and do not want to mention in any job applications.
What I’m worried is whether employers can see your full work history regardless, like through the HMRC.

They can't see your full work history.

However, when you leave a job you get a form called a P45 from your old employer which details what you've been paid (and how much you've been taxed) in the current tax year. You need to provide this to your new employer when you start. So the payroll department of your new employer will know the name of your previous employer.

Did you leave your old job on or after 6th April (i.e. in the current tax year)?

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User197389

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Original post by DataVenia

They can't see your full work history.
However, when you leave a job you get a form called a P45 from your old employer which details what you've been paid (and how much you've been taxed) in the current tax year. You need to provide this to your new employer when you start. So the payroll department of your new employer will know the name of your previous employer.
Did you leave your old job on or after 6th April (i.e. in the current tax year)?

I left in feb 2024 , so thats previous yr… for this yr it will not show right? So if my current employer gives me P 45, it will only show this years tax paid and not the previous year.

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Original post by User197389

I left in feb 2024 , so thats previous yr… for this yr it will not show right? So if my current employer gives me P 45, it will only show this years tax paid and not the previous year.

Correct.

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User197389

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Original post by DataVenia

Correct.

What if they ask if u have any gross misconduct in the past anytime…. Should i tell them about this one??

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Original post by User197389

What if they ask if u have any gross misconduct in the past anytime…. Should i tell them about this one??

To lie to a new employer about your prior work history would be fraud. (Fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.)

So yes, if they ask you'll need to tell them. Even if they don't mention the phrase "gross misconduct" themselves and simply ask why you left that particular job, you need to tell them. (There will likely be someone who joins this thread later to tell you that they lied in similar circumstances and got away with it, so you should be fine. You will then need to determine what course of action to take.)

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sophieee789

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what kind of job was it? i dont think they can look through HMRC and do extensive checks like that, if you leave it off it's most likely fine. looking aside from it not being a good job on your cv, people don't usually include every single job they had on their CV / application, not everything is relevant to the role. up to you, but theres no benefit to putting it in imo.

Reply 12

StriderHort

Original post by sophieee789

what kind of job was it? i dont think they can look through HMRC and do extensive checks like that, if you leave it off it's most likely fine. looking aside from it not being a good job on your cv, people don't usually include every single job they had on their CV / application, not everything is relevant to the role. up to you, but theres no benefit to putting it in imo.

As you say it really depends on type of job, there are plenty of sectors that are more diligent and you have to to list every job & reference as part of your work history, they don't let you cherry pick or leave gaps.

Reply 13

sophieee789

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Original post by StriderHort

As you say it really depends on type of job, there are plenty of sectors that are more diligent and you have to to list every job & reference as part of your work history, they don't let you cherry pick or leave gaps.

What sort of sectors other than the mi6?

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greg tony

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Original post by sophieee789

What sort of sectors other than the mi6?

Yes Sophie, MI6 is the only employer that would possibly ask or query gaps on a CV. With this level of reasoning might be worth you applying to be 008.

Employers arent going to screen every CV but a common question (i have been asked this at least 3 times myself out of 7 interviews) to be asked in interviews is talk through your CV. Also a lot of employers outside of MI6 do actually have an eye for detail, and it can be rather glaring if there is a sizeable gap between jobs and most employers would find this interesting.

Greg

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sophieee789

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Original post by greg tony

Yes Sophie, MI6 is the only employer that would possibly ask or query gaps on a CV. With this level of reasoning might be worth you applying to be 008.
Employers arent going to screen every CV but a common question (i have been asked this at least 3 times myself out of 7 interviews) to be asked in interviews is talk through your CV. Also a lot of employers outside of MI6 do actually have an eye for detail, and it can be rather glaring if there is a sizeable gap between jobs and most employers would find this interesting.
Greg

Greg, don’t be rude towards me. If you had read the question properly, the poster asked if the employer will find out about the job if they don’t put it on their CV. You don’t have to talk about something not on your CV. Gaps can be explained in other ways. I will not engage in this conversation any further.

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StriderHort

Universities Forum Helper

Original post by sophieee789

What sort of sectors other than the mi6?

Off the top of my head;

Anyone working in security.
Anyone handling large amounts of cash or valuables.
Anyone accessing restricted or sensitive areas.

These employers will often insist on a full checkable work history for a set period, often 5+ years, no undocumented gaps allowed.

Reply 17

Admit-One

Also healthcare, anything with safeguarding responsibilities etc.

Whilst of course anyone can obscure a gap in their employment dates, it's probably not a good idea to encourage someone who was under investigation for gross misconduct to do so when applying for other roles conducting that level of diligence.

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StriderHort