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Reply 40
Original post by Anonymous

I've have always believed I am a poor set of genes and that I have simply deserved this. Social darwinism and natural selection has played its part and that I am simply not up to societies standards. I've come to conclusion that I can't have children, because I would passing on bad genes, science is certainly telling me this.


Very sad to read, but not true!

Not sure if it's your kinda thing, but have you heard the song: Science and Faith - The Script. This really reminded me of the song, because he is trying to break love to a science, and it shouldn't really be done.

You could try join some clubs/activities - doing what you like for example? Here you might meet people, not just a girlfriend, but some more friends who might link you up to a girl?

or you could try internet dating?

If a girl really cared about you and wanted to be with you, she wouldn't care about your experience level, etc. Some girls may have not had a relationship by your age anyway.

Don't give up, as you've said you've hopefully got another 50+ years on the planet, so there's no point giving up, if you're going to be miserable or depressed.

I personally think no experience would be a good thing, as it prevents risk of cheating etc, and I bet because of this you'd be a good guy to her.

Keep looking and don't give in! Just because you haven't found Mrs. Right yet, doesn't mean she isn't going to come creeping into your life at anytime! :smile:
Reply 41
Original post by JD.27
If you've built a substantive emotional and physical attraction with a girl she won't walk out. Of course op can lie if he wants and there's no real harm done but there aren't 'many stories' of women walking out on men at this point.
Being a virgin isn't a big deal, it only takes a couple of goes to get a hang of things so why would a girl give up on him if he's a great guy over something as quick as a couple of nights of practise sex.



I don't think it's worth the risk. A better idea would be for the OP should tell the female after he's mated with her that he's a virgin. That way she can't hold any power over him, because he's still lost it whether she stays or goes.
Reply 42
OP, I hope you're not still feeling suicidal. This can be fixed very quickly. It's like the 60s any more, when you had to take a girl on several dates and meet her father before you could bang her. Females these days are easier than ever. All you have to do is have confidence and learn how their brains work. It's definitely not something worth killing yourself over.
Original post by Anonymous
Some people on the Jeremy Kyle show may look ugly. But at least they have social skills.

I have absolutely none. And can't get a girlfriend realise that internet polling has showed me that girls wont date people over the age of 25+/30+ who are virgins, at least most them, like 60% from what I've found.

So thats most of the female population. Excellent, screwed for life. Its awful feeling like this.


lie?
Reply 44
Original post by WordLife
I don't think it's worth the risk. A better idea would be for the OP should tell the female after he's mated with her that he's a virgin. That way she can't hold any power over him, because he's still lost it whether she stays or goes.


More thank likely she'll figure out in the middle of the act. Even if she buys it better to be thought of as a virgin than just **** in bed. But that's still definitely an option there's nothing wrong with just telling her afterwards.
This idea of 'holding power' is a pretty unhealthy approach though, a woman having sex with you doesn't equate to you getting one over on her.
Reply 45
Original post by JD.27
More thank likely she'll figure out in the middle of the act. Even if she buys it better to be thought of as a virgin than just **** in bed. But that's still definitely an option there's nothing wrong with just telling her afterwards.
This idea of 'holding power' is a pretty unhealthy approach though, a woman having sex with you doesn't equate to you getting one over on her.


It's a safer option. The way western society is, females will think he is a freak/loser if he is a virgin at his age. It's not like this in other countries where it's quite common for people to remain virgins until they are married. Women who say they don't mind a male virgin in his late 20's are the minority.
Original post by Dirac Delta Function
lie?


If its getting that desperate shouldn't I just have sex with an escort?

Because if we're going down the lying route, then I might as well have sex with an escort and deny that, but the difference is I would actually have experiance and would less likely be found obvious for acting like a virgin, if that makes sense?
Reply 47
Original post by Anonymous
Who are virgins, at least most them, like 60% from what I've found.


60% is not most or nearly all. It's just over half. That means there's still around 1.5 billion people in the world you could be with!
Original post by Sharpshooter
If its getting that desperate shouldn't I just have sex with an escort?

Because if we're going down the lying route, then I might as well have sex with an escort and deny that, but the difference is I would actually have experiance and would less likely be found obvious for acting like a virgin, if that makes sense?


No, I'm willing to bet that most boys lied about their virginity first time they had sex. Seriously, some 17 year old kid blagging his way into some 16 year old's knickers. You think they're all forthcoming about their sexual experiences?

This is a minor lie, it's not like you're lying about HIV or being married or something.
It probably won't come up anyway as people your age are not expected to be virgins.
Why do you think it is absolutely necessary for you to have a girlfriend to be happy? Do you suck that much on the other areas of your life that only a girlfriend could make you happy?
Look I am not gonna say that you'll find someone. It's about luck, being at the right place at the right time. The only advice I can give you is not to base your hapiness on having a girlfriend. There are many things that say more about your worth and skill than a girl.
Original post by idontthinkso
Why do you think it is absolutely necessary for you to have a girlfriend to be happy? Do you suck that much on the other areas of your life that only a girlfriend could make you happy?
Look I am not gonna say that you'll find someone. It's about luck, being at the right place at the right time. The only advice I can give you is not to base your hapiness on having a girlfriend. There are many things that say more about your worth and skill than a girl.


How would you feel about going through life without ever having a girlfriend?
Reply 51
You've got to stop focusing on the fact 'you've never had a girlfriend'. This is not the end of the world! Once you stop always worrying about how you don't have one you will become a much happier and content person. A person who isn't full of depression, self dislike and feeling like a failure is a person who will much likely draw people to them, regardless of past experience with girls. People like people who like themselves! The place you are in at the moment is not a good place to have a girlfriend anyway. A girlfriend should be something that enhances your life but not something you have to have otherwise you are not a fullfiled person and have no life at all. If you did get a girlfriend in this moment in time when you are so unsatified with yourself and unhappy what on earth would be the result if you two ended? You wouldn't be able to cope because you would have focussed all meaning of life and happiness in her. You need to find some thing else to fill this emptiness in your life something secure and not whether you are in a relationship or not, otherwise it will not end well. Good luck.
Original post by bloomblaze
How would you feel about going through life without ever having a girlfriend?


I would not mind not having a girlfriend if I was successful in the other areas of my life. The only thing I know I can't be happy without is my family.
As long as I have them, a successful job can compensate for not having a girlfriend the same way that a girlfriend can compensate for a not so successful job.
I don't know how I will change in 5 or 10 years but right now I can say with certainty that it's not imperative for me to have a girlfriend to be happy.
Original post by idontthinkso
I would not mind not having a girlfriend if I was successful in the other areas of my life. The only thing I know I can't be happy without is my family.
As long as I have them, a successful job can compensate for not having a girlfriend the same way that a girlfriend can compensate for a not so successful job.
I don't know how I will change in 5 or 10 years but right now I can say with certainty that it's not imperative for me to have a girlfriend to be happy.


A life without any sex ever, no attention from girls and no girlfriend ever, and you'd still be happy?

Your very different from me. I am 22 and had no girls and its gets me down, I wish it didnt.
Reply 54
I don't think being inexperienced at 26 would put off ALL women, any decent woman would want to be with you're a great guy, not because of the amount of experience you've had.

Try to look on the positive side in that I bet a lot more guys then you realise haven't had a girlfriend in their early twenties. You just haven't met the right girl yet and I really believe there is someone out there for everyone.
Be confident in yourself and first work on loving yourself, then you will find yourself a lot more confident in approaching women and making the first move. I know it is difficult and there is a risk of rejection, but if you never try you'll never know. Good luck :smile:
Reply 55
The thing which really makes you unattractive to the opposite sex, in my opinion, is your lack of self-confidence and self worth.

You don't offer much to girls right now. In fact, any girl would be burdened by you and your problems. That isn't fair on any girl.

Hell i've got my own **** too but any girl i'm interested in never truly finds out about it. The girl i'm really close to right now occasionally cries to me/leans on me a bit, but she always bounces back and despite losing someone close to her she is exceptionally strong. As for me, she doesn't hear when i'm depressed because it is a major turnoff. Don't get me wrong, if I lost a family member tomorrow i'd lean on her a bit but you know that would be a serious issue. All this girl wants is someone who likes her for who she is (which is true), someone who will always be there and who can create some attraction. I've had the usual relationship drama in the past and may yet get it in the future, but i'm now the product of my ****-ups and sometimes the best way to learn these sort of skills is to just dive in and fight depression.

Basically, you have to take control of your life and start to show off your better qualities. Worse things have happened in the world! There are some very strong people who take these blows and bounce back. Why not you dude? Your wallowing in your self-pity and making the problem worse! Grab life and take it before it is too late! :rolleyes:

Age doesn't matter. Maybe i'm wrong but in my experience girls simply want a bloke who will look after them and lead them. Can you really do that? You could be some obese 5 nippled chain smoker with long dirty nails and you could probably talk your way to a girlfriend with some self confidence (Admittedly she wouldn't be very hot but meh scattys can't be choosers!). You have to realise that your not that much different from everyone else and that your depression is irrational crap which has manifested from somewhere and that everyone is susceptible to it. Not everyone accepts defeat though!
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Reply 56
Original post by Anonymous
Some people on the Jeremy Kyle show may look ugly. But at least they have social skills.

I have absolutely none. And can't get a girlfriend realise that internet polling has showed me that girls wont date people over the age of 25+/30+ who are virgins, at least most them, like 60% from what I've found.

So thats most of the female population. Excellent, screwed for life. Its awful feeling like this.


So much irony in this post.....
Reply 57
Stop basing your life around trying to get laid/a girlfriend.. it will happen when you least expect it. There are many girls (myself included) who think the fewer previous partners a guy has had the better. Many people would get with 26 year old virgins. No biggie. Its the social skills you need to improve. Work on your personality and skills and generally better yourself in your life, eg. education/jobwise. Find hobbies, anything that your passionate about really and forget about women. Itll happen when its supposed to be, and itll be a lot better than you imagined. Stop moping.
Original post by Anonymous
Ok guys I have to come to terms with something thats bothered me for a long time.

I'm a virgin, I'm 25 and I turn 26 in a couple of months. In addition I've never had a relationship either.

From my experiances, this a major red flag for the majority of women say 80-90% of them when you get to this age. Its bothered me so much that I even considered suicide on many occassions last year, but now I'm seeking councilling about it and my social life in general.

I've have always believed I am a poor set of genes and that I have simply deserved this. Social darwinism and natural selection has played its part and that I am simply not up to societies standards. I've come to conclusion that I can't have children, because I would passing on bad genes, science is certainly telling me this.

I can't get a girlfriend, and by nearly 26 I've never had one and I know by the time you get to this age you'll never get one. No girlfriend by 25, and well, you're love life is over. No women are going to want an inexperianced guy and thats understandable.

Is it this hard to accept? You damn right it is, infact its killing me inside, but after being suicidal for months about it, I realise that the only way I can imagine to stay alive is learning how to live with it and learning to accept myself.

I'm going to go through life without having a girlfriend as I'm simply too old now, I have another 50-60 years to live in this world and I've got to be able to learn to live with this fact and at the moment its ROCK HARD. I'm crying every night even now.

But science is telling that I cannot have a girlfriend or a relationship, the signs are pointing this way and I'm so depressed accepting this fact but I know I have to if there's anyway I can live on this planet for another 50-60 years successfully.

Life's just not meant to be sometimes, I didn't choose to be born in this world, I didn't choose to go through this in some ways, its natural selection playing its part and I fully accept it.

Buts its very depressing, almost like grieving knowing my life will have to be this way.

Is there any other guys who are like who feel the same way and in the same situation?


I'm not as old as you, only 21 but I know how you feel, I'm seriously having similar thoughts right now as I genuinely cannot see myself ever having a girlfriend, no confidence whatsoever, girls have never really shown an interest in me as far as I'm aware and even when there is someone who I like and who even might be interested me back, I just panic and run away, I can't get it out of my head the feeling that I wouldn't be good for anyone and all these factors combined leaves me not very hopeful

Though I don't think you should ever give up hope completely, I guess you may be right about many women finding inexperience a turnoff by that age, but even if you are, forget about them, the main thing is that even if the 80-90% guess is correct (which I suspect it may be an exaggeration), there's still that 10-20% surely? Also, I don't mean to be rude but really try hard to get the social darwinism and genetic theory out of your head, cause its nonsense and not true and there's no such thing as being up to 'societies standards'. Good luck with councilling, hopefully it'll be positive for you as if you can get these thoughts out of your head then who knows you may find someone.
Original post by Anonymous

Though I don't think you should ever give up hope completely, I guess you may be right about many women finding inexperience a turnoff by that age, but even if you are, forget about them, the main thing is that even if the 80-90% guess is correct (which I suspect it may be an exaggeration), there's still that 10-20% surely?


But I do feel terrible that I've wrote off that many women based on my social problems in the past. I could be much more positive/likeable in the future but I will too old by then to have a girlfriend for the first time so I feel its too late. Its heartbreaking really and hurts like crazy. :frown:

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